It's not so much that the lack of clarity and organization will be it's downfall, but should it continue throughout it's creation.

If this collective wants to be a success, then it needs to be towed by the right leadership and structure, so that the work of creating it itself doesn't overcome it's actual purpose, of being fun. As in, it would have to require a system that doesn't centralize the work, nor does it spread a tremendous heap to each person.

so what i segested a small group like the security consal that has perminent members and those elected. also a lager group with regular to semi-regular meetings and huge guild collective events.

You know what, I dont really want to be a part of organizing this... Ill gladly help with it if it gets made, but I dont really want to be part of creating it, unless I see other pirates that I KNOW are great leaders helping out too. (no offense countainer, but I dont know you too well, and well, I just dont know if it would be very successful with just you running it. No offense at all, just saying that I want to see people like Del participating more, people who are known to have good leadership skills)

It would be MUCH nicer if we could tell what you were saying?:pirate2wn0:

What I got is:

"So, what I suggested is a small group like the security counsel, that has permanent membesr and those elected. Also, a larger group with regular-to-semi-regular meetings and huge guild collective events."

Sorry, but if you're gonna lead it, you might need to spellcheck everything...

~CM

P.S. I think it's already falling apart already, but with a great leader, it could come back.

I might join, but I probably won't due to others not joining, and I don't think that we have a talented enough (No offense to any out there) to handle this guild and handle the meetings, etc etc. Plus the lack of organization, and I have to agree with CM....

del it seams that every one is looking to you so please consenter joining and or running for gm.
a lot of people hear look to you please join if care about all these people at least consenter joining.

I personally love the idea of the collective. It has potential.

After much self contemplation, I have decided to step up and run for the position of leading the collective, UNDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: (if I get elected, of course)

• All the work will not simply be dropped on my desk, but instead, a little help here and there while I fix out the kinks.
• The well-being of both my guild and myself will not be completely sacrificed. GM of PNC first, GM of the Collective second ;)
• I have a swift hand in the majority of the functions of the collective.
• I would like to give it a nice, fancy name. Collective seems too ordinary. I prefer pazzaz :3

This is not a pompous list of demands, nor am I saying that I'm definately going to win this in anyway. I'm just saying, if I should win, then all I ask if for those four simple requests to be made.

Ok I will see who will win GM vote then I will Create another pirate for it.

Igor says
 

Igor says good luck Capt Del. Igor think this is a good concept but how it is put into action is yet to be seen. Igor say it does amuse Igor allot. :laughks2:

Im glad you stepped up to the job Del, ye have my vote.

first off i agree with all those points and collective was a temporary name so feel free to come up with a better name. second i withdraw my previous intentions to run for gm and vote for del. thirdly the work lode will not be solely on you there is a plan for a guild security consul(also up for a new name) which will have elections after this one and a few permanent members.

Uhh... should we even have an election? Everyone seems to want Del. Lol, if anyone wants to run against him speak now.

*pokes head in* 6 Crests for Del *pokes head back out*

i think his election may be over unless someone wants someone else as gm.

4K votes for Del!

Haha, 1 from me! And I'll join =3