Current news, August 18
 

Tonic Troubles!
August 18th 2009

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HAHA! Ummmmm, PIRATES!!??

Seriously?

Straight from the website, Jack. Even I couldn't make this one up.

I know, I saw that. All that could come out of my mouth was seriously at that moment. That is a waste of cyberspace right there.

....No comment.

Slow NEWS Day...

but couldnt resist posting a reply on the Grog Blog about it...

Really? I was hoping for an UPDATE... No I havent been "betrayed"! It actually makes the game too easy now. If the guy is really helping, you shouldnt have died unless it was an extreme situation. I could care less if he betrayed me. I'm only insulted by words and outright rudeness in POTCO. C'mon Disney, that couldn't have been cheesier!

Wow. Fail. I dont know what else to say.

.......Excuse me while I go destroy the rest of my respect for Disney. Up, wait, too late!

well thats 1 minute of our lives were never getting back

Tell us about it? Come on. Next step may as well be "report pirates who deny friend/crew/pvp reqs" OK, maybe not that extreme, but really...this is news worthy?

PIRATE!

:laughks2: Too funny.

Wonder if Disney has considered that their expert POTCO guide doesn't actually tell you HOW to revive a fellow pirate? It definitely says it can be done, but offers no instruction on the exact method of doing so. (Praying? Laying on of hands? Wishful thinking? Clicking your heels together 3 times?)

Nah...that couldn't be it. And of course it couldn't be that there are some malicious people in the game that love creating disruption and chaos for it's own sake.

Wheres the post about all the little pirates now rushing out and disrupting high level pirates fighting high level enemies, and expecting us to keep reviving them, WITHOUT even being on a crew, asking to be on a crew, and not saying a word until they die, etc.

The revive feature has turned the game into more of a nuisance for advanced players because the smaller pirates are even braver than before, and now EXPECT to be revived simply for being near you. They need a new speedchat phrase, which would be my fave.. "Sorry, im out of tonics"

I do usually revive these little pirates once, but if they obviously do not learn from the venture, then im as I said above "out of tonics".

Added: Remember the one of the ole pirate traditions mates... RUNNING! and thats what those lil pirates should do after being struck down once by an enemy to big for them, high level pirate in vacinity or not!

I agree with zeps ,
Let all the low lvl pirates embrace the oldest and noblest of pirate traditions,
Fight to run away. I think that says it all,
besides if a said " Pirate " kills him self in abassa then why should he expect to be revived, just tosteal gold from lower lvl pirates?, seems all a big bunch of pistol smoke.:pirate111za1:
And if your knocked out and get sent to jail , you can just tp back to the crew mate.

AYE, i dont like this, what a waste of news d. where are the "have you ever been cheated in svs? report your encounter here" theres OBVIOUSLY more of that than this

Part of The "CODE" (as taken from the Films and the Game) --
"Take what ye can. Give nothing back!"
"Rule # 1 Of the Code, Choose Your Friends wisely."
"Any man that falls behind is left behind."
:degen:
"You cheated!" - Will Turner
"PIRATE..." - Captain Jack Sparrow
:psmiley35:

Uh k.... This is lame, not even really news if you ask me...

Um, when Im on my lower level pirates, Im not spending money to revive strangers. Which is why I keep my crew to those Im friends with. I didnt know being social and unpiratelike was a necessity. Sigh....

Wow!!! 0_o this news is sooo informative it should be put on a plaque of gold >.>

Wow, this is very Big Brotherish of Disney. Now then, can anyone on POF tell me why I spent the money for a yearly subscription... I'd sure like to know?

wow leave it to disney just to waiste a few mega bytes on a worthless anouncement

Who ever said you had to revive someone in the first place? If I don't know them, I'm not going to take the time and waste one of my tonics on them. I'm not going to laugh at them, but I'm sure not going to take pitty on them either.

I've died many a time before this new revive system came in and I'm not going to baby the new pirates either. Now if you're with a group of friends, I can understand reviving each other so you can defeat the higher level enemies. I will NEVER revive someone that expects me to.

If I feel in the mood, I will revive someone if they've asked nicely. But when someone tells me, "Revive me now." I'm not going to give them anything. I have had that happen to me a few times already since the revive system was released and it's annoying. Demanding is not the way to get people to revive you, especially since you're not in the position to demand anything.

This is news I would "expect" from them. ;)

Drat!
She beat me to it!
:laughks2:

OK. So if a pirate doesn't revive me, I report that pirate? Really? In 18 months of this game (or so) I have died a few times...OK. More than a few. Now that we have a revive system, NOT using it is something Disney needs to hear about? Are they going to make it one of the buttons on the "Report a Pirate" thing? Right under rudeness... "Was selfish with tonics"

I don't get it...

Yeah... this is all we need... people reporting each other for unsportsmanlike pirating. MEH!
He/She didnt save me. WHAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!! Oh boo hoo.

Brilliant Disney.

Well I think this is all the baby pirates and younger players complaining to the website about this. Older and more experienced players would not/ should not think of this. Its a new addition, not a new necessity. I could manage fine on my own before this feature and so could everyone else. Big deal if they go to jail..... wouldnt ye have done tht anway a few months back??

Arggh, Disney, Disney, Disney.............. ye are soo creative when it comes to news. I guess since they really arent DOING anything that they figure, "Everyone listen, we need to think of this weeks news! Anyone?" asks a dev anxiously

"Lets say ' Are you tired of playing the game??? Tell us about it!" exclaims the janitors 9 y/o son from accross the room.

(but of course they add alittle "Disney magic" to make it piratey............. ugggh)

I didn't see anything about reporting pirates for not reviving. I read the article with a smile and a chuckle--it seems like Disney wrote it tongue-in-cheek.

I wouldn't get too wrapped around the axl on this one. I do a lot of healing others. Just like I help people playing cards. It's more of a humorous article (seems to me) to get people telling stories.

I have a story about a pirate who was "helping" Sam Dreadgull. He THOUGHT we was going to get a tonic, but at th last minute, said dastardly helper stabbed him in the face!

True story.

Really.

Is this mic on?
 

am I the only one who read the humor in this posting ? humor has run dry on these forums ... yikes.:laughks2:

I don't want to know what kind of pirate is coming up with these sort of topics for the grog blog........

Let's all go play Wizards 101!!!

LOL! That place is lively nice and friendly...chat system is like pirates but more open...


oh by the way...I know people have said it before and I will say it again.....



THIS GAME IS DYING!!!! NO NEWS OR A MAJOR UPDATE OR ANYTHING ELSE AND CHEESY EVENTS! I KNOW IT'S NOT FOR HARDCORE PLAYER'S BUT C'MON THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR CHANGE!

I left a comment for the grog blog too, doubt they will post it though. This may be meant for humor, but come on all of us older pirates did our time and you didn't see any of us crying over about landing in jail.

Maybe they post these dumb things, just so we have something to talk/complain about here on our forum, they figure we will be preoccupied complaining/chatting here and they can take their sweet time to give us the next update.

Added: Does any one ever read some of the comments on the Grog Blog, other than Eliza's and mine (that never make it on there). How many do you think D adds to make it look like people are actually commenting? They say they will post the positives and negatives, but I hardly see any negative posts up there. (Probably to make it look like every ones enjoying the game)

Sorry for the ranting, the game just gets frustrating at times and at least you guys listen or not.

Now I do rather like the Grog Blog. It's humurous and makes for a good story every once in awhile. I like to have fun with the the stories on occasion and put a little story in. Anways, I'm reading through the comments; Some really get into it and tell a fun tale, others add their input on the revive system itself.. But this next one I found rather upsetting:

Can't believe people are really taking it this serious. Perhaps there were extenuating circumstances but the way I read it, they didn't get the help they wanted when they wanted so they booted the fellow. I could be wrong, but I guess my point is that I hope we don't have guilds and pirates taking this system all to seriously. Its a nice option for pirates but its in no way an obligation.

We should have an option to turn off the Tonic revive, although I guess just not hitting shift when some ones around works too.

What they should have done was instead of using one of our tonics we should use one of theirs and if they are out then too bad you go to jail.

As PG09 said,
Pirate Girl, I had to see that with my own eyes on the Disney site. And I saw it.

Thats pretty harsh for not reviving him, I mean booting a fellow guild member? Really? And Aye, Disney is making this so people take this much more seriously than it needs to be. Wonder what kind of guild hes in, don't want to join it on acciedent. :laughks2:

Hopefully his GM gets wind of what he did and questions him about it. Removing a guild mate for not reviving you is harsh, maybe they were new and didnt understand how to revive. I know it took me a few times until I figure out, you need to hit shift while standing next to them.

Thanks Big D for letting us know that info.

My take on this: The following are just my opinions and experiences.

Disney got a lot of complaints on exactly what they posted. People would join a crew saying that they would revive if needed, then didn't do it. I'll bet that people were reporting these "not reviving as promised" crew mate pirates as being 'rude'.

There could be a lot of reasons for this.
One, If I revive one person, that uses one of my tonics. I CANNOT revive another person until my tonic recharges!!!! If someone else falls in battle, I can't help them. (No one even discussed this one.)
Two, they were preoccupoed with something else. (Like fighting for their own life.)
Three, they never had any intention of reviving. (Still doesn't justify a complaint. It's just pirates being pirates. Isn't one of the rules, Befriend others wisely?)
Four, The person who needed revived was random and just started demanding the revive, and didn't get it. (There is NO obligation to revive ANYBODY, EVER.)

I have used the revive feature exactly once. To try it. And the person I used it on deliberately knocked herself out with grenades just so I could revive her.

I have never been revived, for any reason. The few times I have fallen since this feature came out, I immediately hit the jail option. I'm not going to put my crew mates in jeopardy trying to revive me.

I see NO USE for the revive feature!

Since Disney removed the "Swarm" feature of enemies, and reduced the aggression factor, the only time you get in a fight is if you attack first. You should never attack an enemy unless you are prepared to fight. If you need a tonic, that is YOUR responsibilty, not someone elses. If you have a healer, (Crew) then you won't get knocked out, and won't need a revive. The game is based on levels. If you attack an enemy who is too strong for you to defeat, with all the weapons, tonics, and healing you can get, then that enemy is one you should not be fighting in the first place. If you attack an enemy who is too high for you, and you can't beat them by strength, a tonic, or healing, you deserve to go to jail.

Plain and simple.

I do like the one idea mentioned below by Jack Sunskull. If you revive someone, it uses one of THEIR tonics, not yours. If they have no tonics available, then they can't be revived. This would prevent a pirate from showing up with no tonics, yet expecting to be saved every time they get in trouble.

As far as someone booting a guildmate out of the guild for not reviving them. The person who got booted should be grateful. The officer who booted them did them a favor. I surely wouldn't want to be in a guild where a person like that was an officer. Being a GM or an officer is not about abusing the positon, it's about being a leader.

I get what you guys are saying... but I think the problem is that many mastered pirates are taking advantage of this to have fun and annoy the low leveled pirates. It is just like cursing at someone, if someone went around cursing other pirates Disney would have to take action there as well. This revive action may not mean much to lvl 40's but to the new playyers it is a help, if you don't want to help the younger players... dont bother! that is the bottom line, don't take advantage of them for fun. Also, many of you don't know but if Disney gets enough complaints on a subject, they are forced to make a statement.

And you know what, if all you do is complain about the game, why play it. There are many other things to do... Get outside, Play a different game, go out with friends, Do Something instaead of sit there on a computer and complain about a game you continue to playif you don't like it. Disney did promise new releases, but I'd like to see some of you sit down and try to run a game that is Live and that has people constantly demanding new things. Think about how many complaints they get and how long computer graphics, dialog, testing, and brainstorming take... and on top of all that they must deal with complaints and contant upgrades. People don't see how hard this really is and you take it for granted.

Go ahead and call my message a waste of space too, but I am addressing the real issue, its not about someone takeing going to jail the wrong way, this happened when people ran out of voodoo. it is about delibratly mislead pirates for the enjoyment of selfesh mastered pirate, not all of them, but some. I would go as far as to say that some of what you guys posted was selfesh as well. All you want is updates for yourselves, but disney can't just focus on that they need to keep everyone happy. And so what they posted a tiny message on their site, there is not such thing as a waste of space where more can continually be deleted and re made. I garantee I will get a warning for this message, but that defeats the meaning of a debate.

Some of you will understand that what I said does have meaning, but for those of you who Have to be right, be my guest. I am not doing this to be mean, but I will not let a group of bandwagoners fall into the hands of 1 stupid comment. havent you heard be Leaders not Followers. No one here has stood up because they are scared to, but I did. Go ahead with the hate mail, I can take it.

And I do belive the whole guild officer booting thing was way out of line, that probably was an accident, but what if it was a fight. You need the whole story to write a book.

Davy,

My opinion is that you might have a bit of this wrong. Like I said beofre, I have used revive exactly once, and that was to try it out when it was first released. Most of the players I know think it is a joke.

I don't think the problem is level 40's annoying low level pirates, I think it is lower levels and childish pranks, trying to see how many people they can trick into believing them , and then sending to jail.
No mastered, or even high level, pirate would join a crew to offer to revive! They would offer to HEAL and CURE instead. The doll is much more powerful than the revive. The doll can be used as a weapon while healing, unlike being defenceless while reviving, and it doesn't cost the healer any tonics, or money, to use. High level's would heal, not revive. So, if there have been complaints, and if it has become an issue, then it isn't the high levels, but those who don't have a doll, that are being complained about.

Just a side note. i think they're tweaking the aggression factor on enemies still. I have been noticing lately that some enemies that weren't attacking me even if I stepped on their feet are now attacking me when I get close to them. Examples I remember off the top of my head at the moment are last night with my new baby pirate (Cadets on PR, scorpions and crabs on Devil's Anvil) and the other night with little Sven with Timmy. I was just hanging around with Kat O'9 & Tess while they were working on Tim (whilst I was placing amusing thought bubbles above his head - haha). I mistakenly walked up to him before they pulled him and he thwomped on me good.

Anyway, back on topic.

I said that because I saw people doing it Basil. Don't tell me that I did'nt see it. There are to many bored masterd ppl here. No one would crew to offer to Revive, I said that they let the people dies and then leave, I've seen it, I know it. Just watch in the forts and you'll see. Many lvl 40's are full of themselves and by the way, if thats all you have to complain about in my post, then I do not believe you have an argumant. I think it is kind of a stupid thing to do, but believe me or not it happens. No one will like what I say but at least I'M honest. So if you want to argue know the facts.

I agree with Davy completely. Even though adults play this game, children do as well. Many people came to this game with the exact intention of what Disney had promised them - Adventure. Disney, as Davy said, is making a statement simply telling players to be careful. How many of you have been asked by a low level to help them, but when the time came you blew them off and tp'ed away? This is what they're saying. Pirates are pirates, some can't be trusted. I personally find the Revive System very useful, because I have been leveling my 2nd character and when I died, a member came and revived me.

It may not be in your interest, if you're a Maxed Lv40, to have a revive system since your players may rarely be defeated. But to the younger players it may be very handy. Whoever stated this is a waste of space is failing to recognize the true meaning behind the recent post on Disney's site. Disney tries to ensure the welfare of all players of all ages, hence Rated E for Everyone. People, mainly teenagers, who abuse their House Rules and policies ruin it for everyone else by cursing and getting around suspensions, example: Linked Accounts. It's a shame, yes, to rule everyone out for someone's intentional mistake, but they must do something to rid the problem.

As Davy said, it takes much time to add content, revise it, and update it just to meet member demands. They are making new content at the moment, so be patient. If you knew new content was coming or not, you'd still have to wait the same amount of time for it to come out.

Then I'm sorry for you for the type of pirates that you run into, and I'm sorry for them because they have to stoop so low in order to enjoy the game.
I can assure you that neither myself, nor any who are my friends, would be so low as to do something like that. There is way too much fun still in the game that we don't have to find ways to grief others as a form of entertainment. Especially with something as mundane as revive.

I agree Basil, there is more fun out there for us lvl 40's. The POF staff keeps things interesting too, so I will still keep my tonics to myself unless my friends or guild mates truly need them for a revive, but if I am healing/curing them there should be no need.

Thanks,

Many People, as the notice (the one that got so many complaints) said, join the crew and leave when the person falls. it is as simple as that.

I just thought that some people need to take into consideration other Ideas than their own (the idea of a form post) because it seemed to me that many of you took this as a joke and personally. Unless you were the one doing these things then I do not think you need to attack the notice with such ferocity. If anyone wants to argu I would be glad to here your points as well. The revive system is helpfull to some people, Not you guys maybe, but the low levels. As Crim said, when lvling his other pirate it is nice to get a helping hand, not be double crossed. Also some of you said that you had to suffer through going to jail, why shouldent they? 1. they do, because of the pirates who are being greedy and lazy with their revive opportunitys. 2. Even though we did have to go to jail, We always hoped that there would be something to help out, now that there is, just because we don't really need it for our selves, does not mean that we do not need to think of it as a useless addition. I believe peopel are thinking that Disney wasted their time on this instead of making new additions for the high lvls. Well think of it this way, pirates from lvls 33 on down are usually still dieing alot when they try to lvl, the only people who need the new additions are lvl 40's, whos in more demand. also like I said before it does take more time to make big game additions than to make the revive. I am not saying they put us last, but that is just how it is, it is like a vote, which gets more votes wins. as i said, post your arguments, I'll be glad to reply. But this is not just to challenge you, I truly hope I have resoned with som of, and I would like to point out that I am not trying to shoot down all of your ideas, just the ones that i believe to be wrong, or abusive. By abusive i mean how hard we can be on disney.

Jck, I'm not saying you must help others, but its nice to, tonics dont cost alot anyway. But I agree it is nice to help your guild mates and friends, but you dont have to act like you cant help others.

I have lower pirates too, and I would prefer jail over being revived. It's something I am used to since I started the game before these additions, if I am with a crew or friends and I go down, I tell them to save their tonics for themselves.

Tonic's for revive really only prevent you from being teleported back to a main island with a jail, other than that there is no real advantage because you still end up groggy.

I do agree with your idea of it using on of their tonics. So I can see you are thinking about it, but I still don't see why a tonic seems to be worth more than gold to some of you.

Id like to add my two cents -

I stood last night with my lvl 40 pirate at Port Fort for quite a while. There were low levels attacking the 'patio' baddies, and OVER AND OVER the same lower levels would say in local "heal" or "tonic" - I was in a crew with my other level 40 partner, and was not hitting enemies.

HOWEVER - I have never been one to heal when its demanded of me, as Im BIG on manners.
Ask me. Don't tell me. And, one thing I noticed, was it was the SAME people NOT paying attention then to levels due to the ease of the 'revive' feature. Over and over nearby pirates were repeatedly reviving the SAME people - who then would tell others THEY were out of tonics.

As a note - since revive started, and some time before that - we don't keep tonics on hand since we don't use em. I last was using them for a visual staff glitch, and never restocked. BUT, I dont think Id be using them randomly anyways.

I think there is something to letting the low levels learn what they CAN and CANNOT attack without a sure-thing nearby bailout when they get knocked out. It would be different if the tonics came from their own stock - but I think people should not EXPECT a nearby pirate to heal, OR to tonic. (And, thats exactly HOW they say it "heal" not 'Please heal?' before they attack an enemy - which is what I would do. I would ask prior to attacking - 'Would you mind covering me? I need one of those guys - I appreciate it!' And yeah, I said it exactly that way! LOL)

While Disney is mentioning the tonics/crew issue, I wish they would remind players to use some manners, and REQUEST help - not demand it. If we get a tsk tsk for this, many could use a tsk tsk for THAT.

As mean as many might think it is, I simply won't help revive or heal a players pirate who I think needs a lesson in manners. Well, I won't revive anyways - since I don't keep tonics on hand.

My pet peeve is people EXPECTING help, not asking for it.

I am not defending the revive system but I Am trying to get people to stop using things as an excuse to yell at disney. I get what you are saying nelly, but that is not the issue. the issue is people faking help. not people demanding it. I do not think people should demand help either.

Yeah, but I think revive brings out the worst in everyone. Both those wanting to use it, and those not helping.

Overall, I think it was a bad idea to bring this into the game.

I myself yell a bit at them, been trying harder not to.
Its the way Disney approachs things at times that seem not to help their situation, but actually "throw gas on the fire" so to speak.

Although I agree with their message, I feel that they failed to see (or represent) both sides of the dubloon here, and remind these pirates having problems to be polite, etc. When your controlling a multilane highway... like Disney is, you dont focus on one lane.

Bless Disney overall though, seems they are constantly trying to improve the game, I just dont agree with all their actions.

I did see the statement as humorous, from the fact they published the comment as it stands.


Added: The reason I took the standpoint of the other side of the coin with their statement is that I have not witnessed what they were speaking against in a single instance, but have seen the other side of the coin, pirates taking advantage of others begging to be revived, where common sense would dictate they should not have been in the first place. I just never saw it important enough to file any official complaints on. I simply say im out of tonics after the one courtesy revive.

Nelly, I think the revive option is great! And it didn't take me too long to figure the thing out, it was very simple, just like taking a hold of the cannon or the wheel :wheel:

I love the fact that Disney is giving us these little updates and puts adds to the game. Why do people have to be so negative all the time? Why do you play the game if you don't like it..? Doesn't really make sense to me :laughks2:

What comes to these pirates not reviving when they offer it, it's just wrong in my mind.. Does it feel good to bully lower level pirates? :mybadki6: I revive when i have the option, though i don't recommend anyone to tp to Tormenta with me if they are level 20 or under. Well sometimes it's fun too! :icon_psmiley12: :icon_psmiley12: :icon_psmiley12:

I'm sorry, but to me this is saying: Stop chasing our future money away!


I just really use revive around friends, which is really how I wasted all my hams. I don't hang out on ideal severs too much, so I never used it on just a random person.

I agree with you but I think you might be a little off the mark here...

Some of the ferocity might just be born of frustration. I, for one, am extremely frustrated with Pirates online. There is simply nothing left to do.

I used to log on to chat and goof off with the guild but the once noble guild I belong to has died on the vine. I ask why and the answer is ALWAYS the same. "Nothing left to do..." But I am, above all, a patient pirate. I wait for new content, new events, anything to give it a go one more day. I log on at least once a week, run around in circles, take noobs sailing for gold and heal complete strangers. And yes...I will revive someone I don't even know at least once. Who cares. It's why I carry 15 tonics now. Revive uses the weakest one.

Anyway, if the dev news can't do any better than revive trickery, it might be a tad frustrating to some pirates... Just an opinion.

Long paying customers indeed have a 'right' to complain, and be heard. Many of us have been here well over a year, and our money is as good, if not more consistent, than new players.

Disney should indeed be focusing on new players, BUT - the priority SHOULD be with long term playability. After all, when new pirates master - they join the nothing to do club, and many leave.

We complain because we know what the game COULD be, and know how fun it CAN be - but often, long term players are ignored, disregarded, forgotten.

On my friends list - I cant tell you how many of those people stopped playing due to lack of content. Most of the 'old school' pirates are gone, and dont play any longer. Why? Disney's lack of updating the game with usable content. Instead, we got 'redesigned islands', GM events, and 'revive'. Most of us would have been a little happier with an update like, more closet space, larger money cap, more ship choices. ANYTHING to give us something to do!
HIGHER NOTOR! At least. More weapons levels! Grinding weapons isnt much, but its SOMETHING.

Longterm players are feeling disregarded. Disney could care less if we have nothing to do - which is a SERIOUS issue - since eventually most new players WILL master, and then get bored.

I'll just keep on doing what I do. Looking for fun places to explore, watching new people level, kill some things occasionally, and, not bother buying tonics. =) I don't pay them a membership fee to spend my time playing babysitting the lower level pirates they are catering to with new 'band-aid content' and then get whined to about it via 'POTCO News'. (Be nice! You're more experienced!) If they want me to help by buying them tonics, give me a higher gold cap, and cheaper tonic prices if you are using them to revive. Otherwise, they're on their own since I don't buy em anyways.

And on that note - when they start adding things for higher levels to do, maybe they will stop messing with low levels for fun. LOL

I've been playing since Beta 2, and now that you mention it, I do feel disregarded. If you don't count the higher level weapons, almost everything they've done this year hasn't benefited higher level players.

Events... the GMs should be paid Disney staff and not the developers, because if they're the developers the events waste their time. Why have they been working on more events than content? Are there more players out there that want events and not content?

When my subscription needs to be renewed I will pay one more time, but if nothing decent comes, I'll go basic. Why waste my money if they have done nothing for us higher level players? There's the enemy aggression changes, which I find useless when doing anything. They change enemy locations, again, useless. Have they added in new islands, the second story quest, or any decent content to keep us busy?

If you make a crew with a random person who says they'll revive you, don't expect them to. You can't just go up to a random person and buddy up, thinking they'll do what they say. You do not know this person enough to trust them. If you have a situation like this it is your fault. Not everyone in pirates is honest, and it's worse in the real world.

Yes, I will, if they ask nicely and if I'm in a good mood. I'm not going to waste a tonic just because Disney expects me to. I'm not going to revive someone when they demand it, especially when they aren't in a position to demand anything.

This news is the worst I've ever heard from an online game. Since 2003, toontown has given its' players some news to keep us busy, but not as absurd as this. The revive system does not need to be in the game, and telling someone they have to use it to help new players is ridiculous.

I am very glad more of you see it openly now. Thanks. I hope no one thinks of me as the one who HAS to go against everyone else in what seems like a stupid battle to fight, but sometimes people just Jump the Wagon and that is not right. I feel that sometimes people let other things get to them and some people need to say whats on their mind, not whats on their buddys mind.

Well SOS didn't save me. Mean Ol' Sven!

I didn't get the message in time... shame on me.

i saw yer comment - funny

There are so many good points made throughout this thread... and yes I initially thought the Disney announcement was funny.

I haven't seen the rudeness that Davy Gunflint has seen, but I can imagine it happening just as rude behavior and cheating exist in other aspects of the game. Just stand on Abassa when people are challenging each other to PVP.

I have seen lower level pirates in areas I would never have dreamed of taking my lower level toons. And if I accidentally ended up in those places, I learned how to stealthily get my butt outta there. And if I ended up in jail, big deal. It's not like your character really dies and you have to start over, so no real loss.

It is rude of people to demand saving. I have helped strangers if they came to me and said, "Hey, i'm having a problem defeating these guys. Would you help me?" For someone who asks decently... of course, Ill help. People helped me when my pirates were weaklings.

The revive feature is actually a hassle and in a fight, say on a flagship or in tormenta, the enemy is gonna swarm the person doing the reviving. So both people will end up in jail.

Crewmates working together should be using their dolls to heal and cure, proactively. My doll is mastered on one of my lvl 29 pirates (has been since lvl 26), and if my crewmates need healing assist, I can lay on 1117 pts of cure at a time and that's with only 3 pts on that skill.

And for those of us who have been paying and playing since Dec 2007 or earlier, we do have some right to get irritated with these side trips Disney keeps taking.

So do the newbs a favor...teach them not to depend on Revive. Give them some advice on how to level up appropriately.

Well put lost. Last night while I was working on leveling Jack Jr. with my guild mates, you wouldn't believe the rudeness of some of the other low level pirates and BASICs demanding that we heal them because they couldn't handle the heat in Beckett's Quarry.

We just simply ignored them and just went about our business. Disney needs to focus more on the rudeness of demands for heal and revive.

Like I said previously, if we used the fallen pirates tonic than I have no problem wasting one of theirs to revive them because they fail to realize they are not as strong as they think they are.

I agree, but it is obvious that Disney is unconcerned about the retention of established accounts. If most of the changes seem designed to attract new players, it's because Disney has decided that is where the money is.

As with any computer game, there is an expected fall off of interest as time passes. I am sure Disney keeps meticulous records about account start and end dates, and I'm sure they do studies to determine where to spend their development dollars.

That's a great point Roger, I am sure Disney will not do much until POTC 4 comes out. Then we will see an influx of new people again and maybe old.

Right now it seems we are in a stalemate.

It's quite obvious that there is many disagreements over this particular subject, but as the saying goes: "Take what ya can, give nothing back." Disney introduced this system as a helpful feature to all players to give them a little aid when leveling. The enemies now at Tormenta have been raised an extra 10 Lvl's in notoriety, no? This will now be a more extremely difficult place to level or quest, but not just for Tormenta.

While leveling my second character, I was given quests that almost seemed like it was for a Lv30+ such as killing Urchinfists, Seabeards, Brinescum, etc. I find the revive system a very useful tool, for example. If you're questing on Outcast, Tormenta, or Las Pulgas (the annoying and difficult places to get to) and you get defeated along the way (on land) - someone in guild per say can come to tp and revive you without having the trouble to travel all the way back to where you were.

All in all, everyone has a right to their opinion, but there's just one thing I'd like to point out. Please be grateful for these additions. How would you feel if you've spent months and weeks on creating something you poured your heart into, and then be mocked and criticized for it? The Disney staff does put alot of their time and hard work to keep up with our selfish demands for new content, the only thing really is you need to be patient.

My patience is costing about $10 a month. And I doubt 'tonic' took them months and months - if it did, that's pretty pitiful.

Ill maintain - Disney needs to focus. World of Warcraft keeps players interested. Large maps, many enemies, many weapons, a trading system, etc. The money IS in the longterm players. Disney just thinks its easier to put less work in, and keep the new people interested till they max out - then they run the same old ads and bring in a new influx of newbies. IMO Thats where their money goes.

You do have the option to play other games you know if you're interested in "investing wisely." But also consider that WoW has been out longer, along with many other games. And - keep in mind that starting out in 2007 up to now, there have been alot of changes that many of you enjoy everyday such as the parlors, salons, tailors, privateering, etc.

I've been playing for a year and a half, and the only "new" thing there is SvS (which I don't do...).

The fact of the matter is, we were told there'd be updates, and either our definition of what constitutes a real update is vastly different than Disney's, or they simply did not deliver.

But remember it only uses your lowest tonic...Oh wait a minnute...Hmm...I don't use low tonics...<<sigh>>
If you go to Fort Charles on a busy server...which is where I go to help new pirates..it looks like a hospital ward with all the bodies strewn across the ground! I'm sorry, I like to help, but not gonna spend my shiney on tonics to keep reviving the same pirates over & over again. I like revive to help pirates in trouble when they need it. But, now it seems like all low levels are going after Mercenaries! Did no one inform them that they have to level up a little more slowly???? You can't fight a tank with a butter knife...

Encouraging low level pirates to attack enemies they can't handle on their own/encouraging high level pirates to help low level pirates that attack enemies they can't handle on their own is just silly.

Now, if someone asks for help before the fight, and another pirate agrees, then having the supposed helper not help if something happens is kind of mean, IMO. But no one should expect to be saved if they do something reckless just because someone else happens to be standing there.

That's OK Disney just announced an addition to the Revive system, it is called the Run out of Gold option. It will allow pirates to ask for gold when they run out of tonics after being revived one too many times.

Look for the Grog Blog update that states have you run out of gold because you have wasted money on the new revive. Beware of pirates saying they will give you gold to help obtain new tonics, but then turn their backs on you. If you have ever experienced this, tell us about.

Maybe if by saving you get some Rep. This may encourage other higher level pirates to help the reckless younglings. Or gold as a repayment for the help. Regardless of crew/guild/friend status.

I ban TSC for.... oh wait wrong thread. That would be cool you help revive them and if they defeat their enemy/enemies you get some gold for reviving them.

Will Turner: "You didn't beat me. You ignored the rules of engagement. In a fair fight, I'd kill you."
Jack Sparrow: "That's not much incentive for me to fight fair, then, is it?"

POTCO needs to review the movies on which they are based!
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I COULD play other games, but I don't. Pirates has tons of potential. Its Disney thats at fault - and your attitude of 'play other games' is EXACTLY whats happening!

Geez... some people just don't get it. They need to worry about long term playability OVER new members. Or, they will leave as well.

I've been playing Pirates for almost two years now, and I began only a few months after its release. Personally, I'd rather play with new members who are ecstatic and looking for adventure than old ones complaining about how terrible the game is. I was only pointing out if you don't want to waste your money playing a game that isn't worth it, you don't have to play it.

All players have an affect on Disney, and to say that Disney is to blame is selfish. Members who violated their terms of use by swearing and cursing introduced the Auto-ban feature; members who used linked accounts to get out of suspensions got them disabled. Disney has to ensure the welfare of all players, believe it or not - regardless of age. You KNOW new content is coming and on the way, then why demand more? As Nelly said this game does have potential and I see it, for example Roxanna beginning the Brethren Court and equal opportunity for all guilds who participate. Black Bart's Krewe retaining a true piracy mood within their guild. It's things like this that prove to me there's potential within the game, but the "wasted potential" I see is when newcomers join to insult and bash people for new reason using today's slang.

PvPing and Privateering have changed dramatically. People now jump with the usual Blades Only, No Tonics. Privateering is now using clever tricks to sink the enemies quicker. Pirates Online, in a way, had gone down hill, but it's the job of the players who began the game off to its start to retain that Pirate Mood.

Well, if the game was free, Id be happy playing with 'new members who are ecstatic and looking for adventure' but in the meantime, older players are paying a monthly fee to access the Auto-ban feature, and other 'updates' that are essentially useless to longtime, and friendly players who don't risk bans.

MY point is, Disney isn't worrying about making this game PLAYABLE in the long term. Its all about the short term cash, and recruiting new players. People who've been paying for over a year indeed have a RIGHT to complain about updates that seem like we are being ignored for the short term profit.

Disney is indeed to blame. They arent looking at the big picture for KEEPING people playing.

Take a look at the latest test release notes. It seems that Disney is finally giving us something that the long time players have been wanting.

Notoriety raised to 50
Weapons to 30
New caves and enemies
Some minor changes in ships and sailing.

I'm sure that there is going to be a ton of discussion about this over the next few days.

I think they posted that yesterday just to make us think.

They will never release content then the next day BOOM theres new content.

SUPERB!!! THIS is the news many of us were waiting for!