A word about "rep-stealing"...
 

....I'd like to say something about 'rep-stealing.....the first time I ever played this game...years ago...nobody knew the term...we came into the game as pirates,,,not saints...we pillaged, we plundered me hearties, yo ho....everyone was fine with it...especially in a group place , like the forts...we figured out to crew up was best for all there....and no one threatened a "newb" who jumped into the fray....NO ONE PERSON...owns a target...they are public domain. If a person is questing,,,and they tp to a place indicated a target they need is...and usually all 4 to 20 targets they need are in that area....they have the right to go after said target..manytimes there are several other players also on that quest....YES...ITS AGGRAVATING!...I meself try to steer away from "rep stealing" if imma on a quiet server....otherwise,, if I'm there first I ask peeps to join me crew...or I may ask to join a crew(usually, you'll be asked if ye stand there...lol),,,on crowded servers it should be expected to be a frenzy...If ye be leveling and not just questing,,,don't go there,,,,go to a quiet server,,empty is best...questers know that to achieve 20 navy shoelaces its easier to group up...and to get the rp from the quest giver,,,and the rp from defeating an enemy is doublesweet...NEW players no nothing of 'rep'stealing'.....they are instructed by the quests to do whatever...and they get new weapons, which is awesome to them...and they want to use them....One of me other characters now belongs to a guild who belongs to a "guild"...and we train new players(I have four characters of me own to level...and I train mebbe five members at a time )...we teach them "manners" along with game stuff....I have been with a group of founders and 50's and still had mid-range, hyper-rude, narcissistic players arrive...jump an enemy and go ballistic when another plyr attacks that enemy..without even noticing whose around or whats going on.....NEWBS don't know, and won't respond to it even told that way.....I don't like hearing the whining in game...or out...but out is better...everyone vents....the game is set up for old and newcomers,,,,anyone who thinks they are better than anyone,,,in game ,,,or out ain't fooling this pirate...or Disney(I'll say it again, "..it is what it is")....if ye be bored, take a break to have some RL fun...try to remember what its like to be a new player.....or a kid...coming into this exciting game....

How do you level cannon?

Option 1: Do it yourself. Extremely slow, extremely isolating, extremely boring. Up to 50 rep per minute.

Option 2: Overtly burden your friends/guild. If you have no conscience, this isn't a problem. Depending on their abilities, usually about 100 rep per minute.

Option 3: Alternate with a single other pirate, 1 cargo full run sailing, 1 cargo full run cannoning. Up to 70 rep per minute (minus frequent landing delays.)

Option 4: Public sailing. Get on a ship with 3 or 4 others all using round shot. Works for up to 5 minutes, at which time a level 40+ jumps on and alternates between rank 5 fury and rank 5 thunderbolt. 163 rep X 2 ships per minute becomes (maybe as much as) 15 rep per minute as the captain scrambles to find targets. AND DISNEY STILL WON'T LET CAPTAINS KICK THESE MALICIOUS MISCREANTS OFF THE SHIP. Remember - you yourself have seen this a hundred times - no matter how politely you explain it - no matter how many times you ask - no matter who (or how many) ask - they will 100% of the time continue rep stealing. Even if you explain to them that THEY could be getting about 300 rep per minute if they'd just try, they never ever do.

Option 5: ???

Seafox, this is a touchy subject. Always has been.

First? One word: Paragraphs.

Second? In my opinion, there is simply no reason in the world to jump in and fight something that another pirate has started.* Go get your own. It is that simple. There are WAY too many bad guys to think you can only attack that which is already being attacked. It is rude, lazy and pointless.

*Does not include crews, BFFs, family or significant others.

I agree with what you're saying, but there is still a limit to "rep stealing".

No one owns enemies, true. Quests send you to kill enemies, again, true. However, if a player is there to level, and there are multiple enemies of that kind there (which is always the case - excluding bosses), taking rep from that player to complete your quest is the right thing to do?

The real problem with "rep stealing", at least to me is, everyone that "rep steals" is either on a quest, or too low of a level to kill the enemy alone. If that is truly the case, asking for help makes more sense than taking someones rep, just so you can finish.

That being said.. there are some things that really have no reason concerning this. Such as, if you're on Padres, or Tormenta (or anywhere with high levels), and a player who is level 10 and lower comes (that isn't a "newb") and starts attacking.. well, I don't see the point there at all.

This is just my view on the matter, but there's really no "right" way to view this.

..I agreed its rude and aggravating, but as theres no prevention, work around it...the bombastic responses by some players to it have increased....and it spoils the enjoyment of the game for all the local players...and that is really my main point.

...I reiterate...why would a leveling player go to a crowded server and place where they know its going to happen? Everyone started out the same way....wanting to get their little not. level up and have lots of help doing it...lol...take a minute and think about what you did as a level one? level 5?...lets not be hypocritical...or uptight....

...Mebbe a thought bubble saying "Im leveling" would help....dunno, but prob not.

...The ship thing,,go to a public ship...expect "public"stuff...its a **** shoot...I sail with friends, guild or a captain I know and trust...a crew should respect his captain...too much whining there too...but not by just low level players...

...I mastered my cannon by lvl 26..on me level 49 playr and lvel 29 on Molly O,,,,never bored with it...but we all have weapons where leveling is a lil bit of drudge....

..Back to rep-stealing,,,advertising is at an all time high for POTCO...more new players are flooding in every day..not all rep stealers purposefully set out to target another players enemy....therefore,,why get verbally abusive in game where other players are nearby...especially new players??

Finish up and find a quieter server...complain to Disney.......teach the young players...set a good example...do good...or be a pirate...and when ye choose to be a pirate...expect the others around ye will be that way too...its still a Disney game when all is said and done...when I want to go all DK on someone...I don't do it there..;)

My answer to rep stealing is I usually just go to another server. I usually play quiet servers anyway. If it is a newer player I may politely explain what rep stealing is but if it is just someone being a jerk I just move on, no need to say anything.

The thing is 9 times out of 10 this occurs when you're on a quiet server, without the intention of dealing with this. It's just common sense not to go to a crowded server if your intentions are to be left alone.. unless of course it's test, where only two are available.

As Bug77 said, changing servers or offering assistance is the way to go. People are going to complain about it, and people are going to voice their opinions, as we have all done here. Even if it spoils the enjoyment of the game for local players, those effected by rep stealing have the right to voice their opinion, just as those whose game experience is ruined have the right to ignore it, and continue with the game.

I allow rep stealing. ONCE. If I find that someone is doing it again and again, I have my own tactic. I attack the enemy, and then let the rep stealer get their swipe in. Then I stop fighting and just keep myself alive, while letting the enemy turn onto the rep stealer. I don't offer aid, heal, or revive.

I learned to not attack enemies way above my ability by finding out what level I could defeat, and what level I couldn't. I let rep stealers do the same.

On the other hand, if someone asks to join me, or politely takes turns, or asks for crew, or if I could help them because they are on a quest; then I am the first to help out. Let's face it, I haven't forgotten how much help I was given when I first started out.

..In general, I've seen this subject in game causing grief....Specifically, however, this post started in response to an event that occurred this morning at Ft. Charles, very crowded(I tp'd to heal a new member), whereby a couple of kids standing to one side, got lambasted by an 'advanced' player, who surely wasn't getting any rep from a grey enemy...and he knew it... ...mebbe I left something out...in any case...I always post that I'm all for venting and opinions here...within the sites guidlines...

....a touchy subject it be...and I "touched" it for the reason that many people, not just members, will see it ..and some good would come of it...not to antagonize members here... for some reason, my thoughts on the subject got a little turned around...

The bottom line is rep-stealing is bad (all new players please take note!)...but harassment is against the code of conduct:
[QUOTE]The Pirates Online Code of Conduct:
Respect your fellow pirates - Pirates of the Caribbean Online does not tolerate any swearing, cheating, bullying or overt harassment toward other players. Disciplinary action will be taken should any one of these occur while playing./QUOTE]

Couldn't agree more.

Just a note, you should report players such as the one you encountered. If the player asked them to stop, that's one thing. But bullying and harassment would fit that pirate perfectly.

I don't care about rep or rep stealing. I just don't like it when people are verbally rude to me or act like they're purposefully ignoring me. It's always funny to go on quests when my account is not being paid for and my name is gray; people ignore me all the time and say rude things and try to get me to go away from the battle. Then something like an Unlimited Weekend comes, and my name is gold again (because I'm a founder), and I'm treated way differently.

I don't know why people choose to be so rude. Everyone should be treated nicely.

Rep Stealing is a pain agreed but if you go to Fort Charles you are likely to find new pirates our young players and as stated above they are not aware of a problem. They at this point are just having fun swinging a sword around and have no idea what "rep" is so take it easy on them and teach if you can. I find rep stealing to be a a problem in 2 areas.

1. Kingshead: I will when working on staff or grenades find a quite server with nobody on it even if I have to go to 2 or more servers to do so. So when somebody runs in and starts staffing or grenading the group I'm working on I'll say something to them. I figure at this point they are far enough along to understand and simply don't care or hope I will leave if they don't. Fighting over the parade group is bad form leave if you find somebody there even if you've gone to more than one server.

2 Ships: If I am fighting a ship by broadsides or by cannon it drive me crazy when people sail by and shoot the ship I'm working on, at this point they are not even working on rep just taking pot shots at my target and dropping my rep. Once again not cool just sail by and let the player get what he is working for.

Tormenta and most other areas if they attack your target they are usually not a high enough level to be going after this bad guy and fate will soon catch up with them.

Can't stand rep stealers. I play quiet servers in hopes of avoiding this. However sometimes you find it anyway. First, I'm gonna explain why rep stealing hurts you too. Do it again, I'm giving you full explicit warning that you will not be healed or revived. Continue, and depending on your level, I'm gonna leave you to crash an burn alone, or you're in really hot water. Cause I will pull out my biggest pirates an I will kill everything you touch before you get more than one hit, till you leave where I was first. (Sometimes it's fun to turn the tables on these jerks an let em see they won't get any rep off anything after stealing from me.)

I repeat though, I do play exclusively on quiet servers, and always give fair warning first. I don't get extreme till you do. (A note, I have seen entire guilds (no, I will not say who) whose entire policy seems to be to rep steal as much as they can. It stinks, but that's just how some people prefer to play. I steer clear of the server they frequent, and call it a day.)

There is no Rep stealing. Everyone pays for the game so how can someone steal something that is free to everyone. It's like me going up to someone, and breathing and then them saying "YOUR STEALING MY AIR".

Not Really. Every bullet, every grenade, every throwing knife I use is an investment in Rep. There is also my time and the fact that, 9 times out of 10, the rep stealer will also be asking for a Revive at some point.

Seriously. When I am engaged with a bad guy and there are three or four more like it standing around, why are you attacking mine? How lazy can a pirate be?

ON A SIDE NOTE: The rudeness is something that is generally pretty new. It happened on occasion but it wasn't quit as widespread as it is now. There is NO reason for a high level pirate to be in Fort Charles and certainly not swiping away at gray enemies. For what? 1-3 rep points? Go to Tormenta and leave Fort Charles to the Noobs. It was meant to be their's anyway.

Really? Because 4/5 times the person will be a higher level than me.

And, if Fort Charles was meant for lower level players, why is it that at level 35 you can still get, "Defeat five grunts" quests?

And, I agree with Swash, there isn't really rep stealing. Of course, breathing air isn't really a good example, IMO. In fact, there's not really a good example to say it's not rep stealing anyways.

We all pay for the game, and rep is imaginary. What's it like to lose, say, ten rep because someone else came to fight your enemy? All you have to do is say, "Hey, can you join my crew or fight a different enemy?" Odds are this "rep stealer" is going to join your crew, because there's more rep! When I was a noob and I was considered a "rep stealer" people would always ask to join their crew for more rep and I thought, "Woot! This is great!". Did I know I was actually annoying them before giving them extra rep because I was part of their crew? Heck no.

This is just my opinion, but I don't see it as rep stealing. I see it as rep sharing. Sure, that's a funny term for it, but if there's really "rep stealing" going on, it's by your choice, most of the time. Because when people come to fight my enemies, 9/10 times asking them to join my crew works.(85% of statistics are false, if you really want to believe me, ok, but going out into the game and counting the times people will join your crew is better.)

I personally don't mind people fighting my enemies. They join my crew or I join there's and I'm happy.

P.S. When the new inventory system hits live I bet there will be new, even worse stealers out there. The "loot stealers!".

We do all pay for the game and agreed you don't have a right to your own bad guys. My ship example is more a irratation then anything but I will stand by my Kingshead one. If you have taken the time to search out a quite server and are working on leveling on the parade group it is rude to start messing with what you are doing. Anybody else doing the same is probably there to level also and by doing so will cut yours (and their) rep to nothing, to the point that you will not get crew bonus even if they join your group. SO is it "rep stealing" I guess not, but they have stopped you from doing something you are trying to do-If you pay for a movie and I sit near ya and talk to the point you can't hear your gonna get upset even though I paid to watch the movie also- So is it rude, yep, so call it what ya like but be thoughtful of the way your game play effects others

A note, au contraire, we do NOT all pay. Basic access members do not pay, but they do rep steal. If a basic player attacks the enemy of an unlimited then they are taking rep away from someone who did in fact pay for it, hence there is rep stealing.

It doesn't even need to leave test for that :laughks2:

The first part of the quote goes to show that experiences differ a lot. When I am on a pirate that is level 19 and down, the "rep stealer" is 4/5 times a lower level, and 1/5 of the time a higher level. When I switch to a pirate that's in the 20's, the "rep stealer" is 3/5 times a higher level pirate in the 20's (with a skull face tattoo 4/5 times.. don't get that part either), and 2/5 times a lower level.

Sorry if I am wrong, but if that quest is not exclusive to Fort Charles, then there's no reason they should be taking rep from little pirates. I know that on Padres (which a level 35 should have access to) if you go in Beckett's Quarry, at the entrance there are 3 grunts, only a few steps away. The player can 9/10 times get there faster than going all the way to the back of Fort Charles. They still have a right to go there, but they should also realize, doing this to "younger" (in the sense that they are new to the game) players may make them think that it's acceptable to do, in the eyes of everyone else.


A lot of us do pay for this game, and a lot of us play the game for free. But if another player is ruining our experience for us, we have as much a right to say something to them (not to harass, but to inform them of what they're doing), just as much as we do to step away.

If I am Level 35 and I need five grunts, I am heading to Padres. I would NEVER do it at Fort Charles.

Actually, the way it's set up, if there is a drop from a kill, everyone who got in a strike gets their own loot. You can't take another pirate's drop. Nice :)

Disney gives peeps the free access...there is still no stealing...its a term we use when something we value is lost to us...but as its allowed by the owner of the whole shebang,,,I still stand on that...that its not stealing and we shouldn't have our expectations of others "manners" in a free- for- all type game, to a fever pitch....thats my final word as my posts explain meself , I hope...:)...

Carry on if ye will, this thread, as I believe new players seeking advice will read your contributions and gain a wide viewpoint and, perhaps, act accordingly...as well as lead to tolerance by those who have gained the most....Thank you.

I know I'm in the minority here but I'm still inclined that there is no rep stealing. You earn the rep you worked for, whether you did 100% or 50% or 0%. You get less rep if someone comes over and helps you, sure - understood. Yeah, you were working on that mob the way you wanted to and now you have to kill another one to make up for the time lost. Yeah I can understand that it does stink to have to kill another one.

POTCO's rep is still the most backwards experience system I've ever seen in an mmo. If you want to work on leveling up, you cannot use your more powerful skills to take down an enemy. Instead you have to whack at it with the same hit or combo if you're inclined since it's been shown that more hits = more rep. It still doesn't make sense that I can gain the full cap on a level 1 sand crab. Most other games, you gain experience determined by your level versus the mobs' sometimes divided by the number of people in your group. I suppose the crew bonus is meant to make up for the the weird rep earnings. What's more wack is that upgrading your weapons or skills is actually a detriment to your rep earning power since you would then do more damage/less hits.

It could be worse. Way back when in another game, the last shot got ALL of the experience points (i.e. kill stealing). It may be better for Disney to incorporate a system where the first hit locks the mob and its rep to you or your crew. You'd still get less rep if someone intervenes but at least they wouldn't get any. That idea may curve away from child-friendly by their standards though. Just an idea to throw around.

Me too. Although sometimes i do try to explain to them first why it is a problem, and if they are lower levels trying to go for higher level enemies i let them know that they just may be doomed. Particularly if they seem to be new to the game. Also, if you just crew with them it makes up for some of the "stolen" rep, doesn't it? Best to just head to quietest servers if you want to be left alone. Like Bug, i sometimes hop servers a few times just to be away from other pirates if i am "on a mission" to level or for a quest.

Rep stealing is when you are prevented from earning the rep you expect to from mobs you have found and set up. For example, if you find a quiet server with an unused Kingshead field, call the 7 over so that you can smoke them for decent rep, it is rep stealing if someone comes along and takes "your" mob out with 1 shot of flaming skull. Who does Disney penalize for that rep stealing? The rude high level player stealing the rep, or you, who now have to spend 7 to 30 minutes finding a new server?

It is blinding ignorance to claim that basic members even *can* steal rep. The damage point from their weapons is at BEST insignificant.

When I set out to level I usually go to a quiet server and find enemies that fit my needs, looking for enemies that will give good rep but don't require me to gulp down tonics. I'm also very systematic, planing my attacks for maximum rep. When someone jumps in and attacks the enemy I am fighting they are undermining my enjoyment of the game, hindering my progress and wasting my time. So arguments about the existence of rep stealing have little meaning, because people who do this are taking something of value.

The least these people can do is talk to the person who was first fighting the enemy, then maybe something can be worked out that is good for everyone.

That said, there is no reason to be belligerent or insulting over this. Exp[lain politely what the problem is and if that doesn't work just move on.

OK. Rep Stealing causes a lot of hang-ups but it is not the legal definition of Stealing that is meant here.

"Rep Stealing" is more about actions and behaviors and a total lack of home training and manners and the emboldened actions of the anonymous Internet game player. Calling it "Rep Stealing" is just easier than calling it "Rep Reducing" or "Rep Stop Acting Like A Rude Little Pratt And Go Work On Your Own Bad Guys."

It may not be stealing but it IS, in certain situations, downright rude.

And I have to disagree that POTCO is a free-for-all type of game. It isn't.

LOL :laughks2: sorry you made me laugh with that one just had to say thanks
needed that

I see lots of strong opinions, for and against. I don't see any clear right or wrong way to handle this except as stated, try to get a quiet server, if bugged then you hop servers. I like to be able to go to a busy server, and join in without being harassed, or have the option of a quiet server.

Try to be understanding of players that don't follow the "unwritten" rules regarding rep stealing. If we turn them away from the game, then what have we accomplished? In no way does POTCO reference the way of the Jedi, but try to keep that in mind. Walk the higher path.
IMHO,

Rob:)

This is like so true

There is no rep stealing. Every enemy was placed in the game for everyone to enjoy. If you were in tormenta killing a seabeard and I went up to the seabeard and defeated it and you told me I was rep stealing then I would tell you to get over it and stop whining because it's not your enemy. YOU DO NOT OWN THE GAME OR THE ENEMIES.

OK. Then you have provided me with an example of what I have been saying. Rep Stealing isn't about stealing. It is about behavior. And bad behavior is bad behavior.

Let me ask this. If I were in Tormenta slugging it out with a Seabeard, what possible reason would you have to come and "defeat it?" What is wrong with all the OTHER Seabeards? Why mine?

Here is what goes through my mind when some guy does this to me:

• Too lazy to get the Seabeard next to mine.
• Too weak to get his own Seabeard.
• Too needy to play without being noticed, even for being a pratt.
• Too rude to say "Hi" or "Want to crew up?" or anything other than "Heal Me!"
• Might be unaware that it is just bad manners.
• Might be aware that it IS just bad manners but doesn't care.

Anyway, I usually just go elsewhere. Life is too short to deal with the ill-mannered.

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Well said. I think your list pretty much covers the possibilities. The good news is that a vast majority of players are considerate and respectful enough to give other players enough space to play the game and don't force themselves on others (which annoys me at least as much as any loss rep) and have the good sense to ask someone if they want to team up. Which shows that they might be someone who would be fun to team up with. People who just impose themselves on you without even a howdy-do are probably going to be a general pain to deal with and best avoided.

If it's behavior why isn't it called "bad rep behaviorers"?

What's the big deal of going up to the same enemy and attacking that enemy when there's no other enemies near by because this person killed them all?

Wait, let's stop for a second. Think about the enemies for a second. How do they feel about having people fight over them? If I were the enemy I'd run away when the two are arguing! Wee.

The big deal is that that is rarely the case, and if it is, asking is the considerate thing to do. If the other person is there killing all of the enemies, and are in the middle of killing another one, a simple, "Mind if I fight with you?", or something along those lines isn't too difficult.

For the most part though, the situation is as ex8404 stated in his post. And as others have stated, almost every single time this occurs, there is an enemy of the exact same type a few steps away.


But still, informing the other player that you don't want them to reduce your rep, or teleporting away is what should be done.

Ok, I understand now, however, why aren't some of you trying to handle the situation? I haven't read the entire thread, but from the way it looks, no one has even said, "And when I try to say, hey wanna join my crew, they ignore me."

I've had people come fight "my enemies" and all I do is say, "Hey, wanna join my crew for more rep?" And the person will usually say sure. Sometimes they even ask if they can bring a friend, and I'm fine with that. I love crews. I'm not sure if some of you like that, but if you're rep is being "stolen" it's up to you to stop it. And in the nicest possible way.

Some people are just too shy over the internet, and being friendly can help them overcome that.

I do understand there will always be the rude people that just go there to annoy you, but I've rarely experienced these people.

That slowly became the point of the thread, or at least how it looks to me now. Originally we were posting about how we felt towards rep stealing, as in, how it effects the player who is a "victim" of it. Later on people started posting suggestions to avoid it - but kept up the discussion that it isn't "okay" to "rep steal", and asking the player if you may help him/her is the better solution, rather than just jumping in.

But I am sure it's safe to assume, everyone agrees that it is better to be kind to the other player, rather than rude. Asking the player to join your crew, asking them to stop, or even teleporting away.

I dont have a problem with sharing rep, there are many enemies out there to attack. Now just because I dont have a problem with sharing rep doesnt mean i would ever take it from someone else.

I second that Jason.

This whole thread is about rep stealing, so if you don't mind having rep being stolen from, you don't have much need to post here ;)

Do not forget:
[*]Is attacking the Seabeard being attacked on purpose, and just wants to ruin your fun.

And then there are people like Jason. Some people don't mind sharing reputation points. However, the majority of players don't like their rep being stolen ( Myself included ), and a lot of people ( Including some who don't like their rep being stolen ) tend to steal from players who want their rep in one piece thinking that said players don't mind. I've witnessed someone steal another person's rep, second person say stop, first person do it again, first person fight their own enemy, second person steal from first person, and first person say stop. The one thing that went through my mind was "Well, if you don't want your rep being stolen, why'd you steal from the second guy in the first place?"

Understand, that there are people who are generous and caring, while there are people who are the complete opposite.

I personally enjoy going to a busier server and going to Tormenta to crew up and fight. I was on Abassa one night with a nice, friendly, fun crew and we were in the area with Kelpbrains and Brinescums. This one girl refused to crew with us, even after pretty much everyone asked her, and went about her business with the guys in the Spineskull room. We soon moved to the Seabeard/Molusk room and she followed us, but kept complaining about us rep stealing even though she was the one running into the middle of our fights.
I pointed out what I thought was exceedingly obvious: if you're on Abassa, you are not the only person on the server. I said she was more than welcome to crew with us as well. I wasn't sure what she was getting at (I also checked and she was not on SpeedChat) and I wasn't sure why she thought we were the ones doing any sort of stealing. We just all ignored her and after a point she ran to somewhere else and stopped telling us we were stealing.

Long story short (argh, too late!): I feel that if you are on a busy server you should expect at least one person to be running up to your enemies and should either crew/offer to crew and deal with it, or teleport. If you are on a quiet server, I find rep stealing to be a totally different story as I've experienced many times over that one random person running into your fights tends to be the person that refuses to crew and always follows you to another area.

I've learned mostly to ignore the people and either teleport or find something else to fight if they aren't willing to join me. But then again, I was also raised to have manners and it's painfully obvious that many people in the game were not. Thankfully most of these people we will never have to deal with outside of the game. :piratetongueor4:

I have had two recent experiences with "rep stealing." I was on the back beach on the test "A" server. There was a pirate there who was, I think, level 37. I am level 41 right now. Well, everything I attacked, he attacked. I don't mind if it's Darkhart. There is plenty of him to go around. But he did it on EVERYTHING I hit. He even followed me to the crab beach and attacked those too. I asked him to stop and he said he never would because "you said what you said." What I said was, "Please stop following me. You can get your own enemies."

He just kept following me wherever I went. I finally had to tell him that I was sending in some screenshots and filing a complaint on him. He left after that. If Test wasn't so small, I would have left the server...

The next day on test, same place. Two or three pirates came up at different times and, without fail, each asked a simple question. "Mind if I join you?" Well 100 times out of 100, the answer to that question is, "Not a bit. The more the merrier."

So anyway, it takes all types I guess. I just prefer the polite ones and try to act the same way myself.

Yes I know there are "people like me" out there and just because i dont mind sharing my rep does not mean I steal rep. I understand that alot of people dont like it, so i always ask before i attack an enemey that i think might be occupied.

I was in Tormenta one time and I had some level 49 guy with me. He refused to go in my crew and so I went to fight spineskulls. He kept attacking EVERY enemy I attacked. So I moved to the bridge of kelps and brines and he attacked them all too! After I told him that if you don't stop i'm going to send in a report he left quickly.

I really don't mind if people attack in the middle, because my friend and I DON'T CARE. It's not your enemies and you don't own the game. Learn to share. If you're going to Abassa, YOU KNOW that it's gonna be populated. Of course this doesn't mean that you lose your manners. ASk POLITELY to join in or join their crew and then you can start jumping in the fights. Just cause your a pirate doesn't mean you lose your people skills, aye savvy?

I will have to remember to move away when the Big Ships start attacking my targets...since I am only a basic on a raft using basic cannon balls only. Best not get any pirate crew upset...since we are all politically-correct as pirates should be.

I'll try to keep my ARRRs politely quiet from now on.

TQQdles™,

Dolnor Numbwit
Eternal Newbie

..Nice to hear from ye Dolnor....and Ahoy to ye...:)

If I'm staffing it nading or with my staff at KH, and I've been there a while, an someone comes to me and ASKS (have not yet ever been asked) if we can take turns or something I would be the first to say go ahead, knock yourself out. Same thing when I'm working the thralls in menta. I don't mind at all having other people in the pool, and will even crew with you, but what's wrong with wanting to level on my own guys?

Why am I so adamant about rep stealing and wanting to take out my own guys?

Could it be the time I was at Kingshead staffing it to level my staff when the guys were still red, and a whole crew came to just flaming skull them from me? When I said we can take turns they said sure, then when it was my turn again they did the same thing? (BTW all members of the same guild not one of them said maybe we shouldn't.)

Could it be because of the players (and this happened more than once) who random tp to me then start killing everything I touch? Though in that case I'm gonna tp away an unfriend you so fast your head will spin.

Maybe it was last week, when I was fighting in the thrall pool minding my own with my crew. Another guy comes, takes on one of our guys. I asked him to stop, so he very politely went to the other side by the waterfall and wacked away. No harm no problem. He brought a crew for the waterfall side. Still not a big deal as while they would come to the bigger pool they were not touching the guys we were fighting. No harm done. Till his buddy comes and starts rep stealing off my crew, despite his friend right there. To the point that even the second crew was calling him out. (Oh and dude was from the same exact guild as the guys on Kings. Without fail every time I run into one perticular guild they rep steal from me then laugh in my face. I've learned if I see them it's best to leave the server, they ain't worth the fight. But does it make their actions right? Not a chance.)

If people come start rep stealing from me, are asked not to and stop, then yeah, I'm likely to invite you to a crew to get extra rep. In fact I tried to crew the first guy in the thrall pool but he had a crew already. On big guys we can take turns, I'll heal you you heal me. I don't mind at all. It's the random people who do this then laugh at you that I mind big time.

Why are some people willing to share nicely and take turns, while others are just plain rude enough to do things they know not to and laugh at you for it. (Unrelated example, about 2 weeks ago a basic low level started shooting me when I had just logged in, and by default been dropped on a semi busy server. I asked him if he knew it was considered rude. He looked at me, without shooting a second, said, yeah, that's why it's fun, and shot me again. My response was simply, oh, a rude pirate, and I tpd to my regular server.) The point being this dude fully admitted he knew he was rude but found it funny. THOSE are the people I have a problem with. Those are the ones who will come find you on quiet servers just to mess with you. Inevitably those are the ones who find me. That's just my cursed black luck, oh well. If you're being polite I will share, I will crew with you, I will fight with you, no problem. If I see you more than once, and we crew or fight together you might even get a friend request from me. I do NOT tolerate jerks for fun. And that was my whole point.

Aye, most have agreed that rude behaviour is evil......and yes , there are 'trolls'...we got ye...

But, there are ways to deal with it...and not using offensive language, or threats, etc., like some players do.... as it really doesn't help...and can lead to banning...and that was what I originally spoke to...the response to 'rep stealing' and the concept...

I know I still get very new players who just jump in...cause they want to fight and don't know advanced players have 'etiquette' rules for them to follow...and a lot of them have really bad manners, but they seem to get weeded out early on...

.the rudest ones will always attach themselves like leeches to a higher level plr/ or a player who is working really hard, or has best weapon...makes it really easy on them....I just wait til they put in their couple of licks and I quit fighting...specially bosses...lol...they get knocked on their heineken...:) Sometimes, they show a lil more respect...sometimes, not...

I crew everyone, basic, low-level , or paid....if they don't crew, and don't play nice...I tell crew imma tp'ing to another server, and which one and where...and it all works out...less stressful...unless, I've found a prime loot drop area...then I feel the burn..:degen:

and the bottom line is its still a game where enemies, and quest items, technically belong to everyone in the game....but we can make a difference in how players interact and all of the players can have a better game experience. :zu04m1:

I'm with you on this Basil this is pretty much my take on this. If I'm questing and I jump in on something I need for the quest I aplologize and explain I needed it for my quest, I don't follow them around and continue attacking their targets. I don't mind taking turns fighting bosses and healing while the other player fights. I spend a good deal of time seeking out quiet servers and resent it when one or a group shows up jumping my targets, especially after I've gone through multiple server changes finding an area to myself.




Aye I remember many times working Kingshead back when we used to work the glitch on the hill above the parade ground for grenades. Spending the time searching out and finding a quiet server only to have one or more people with staffs show up and take over the parade ground. When I got staff I remember going to kinghead and always looking up on the hill to see if anyone was practicing grenades before going out to level staff.





This pretty well defines them.

I got the same problem noobs follow me everywhere! Its annoying to.

Not all of them are noobs, Some of them are fairly high levels, Some just don't know any better and, for some of them they use it as a form of harrassment following other players around and interfereing with them in order to harrass.

Wow...I just got to level 30 yesterday and until now I was not aware of rep stealing. Anytime anyone comes along and starts fighting an enemy I am fighting I always figured they were trying to help me so I say ty. lol!
Same when I am out sailing and battling a ship, when another ship comes along and helps me take out the ship I am battling I am always grateful..I never get angry. I didnt know it was possible to steal rep. I usually fight alone and crew up only during invasions, so I guess I dont know the main rules or code of conduct.

Samarah, you make my day...thank you:) But some 'gamers' lose their cool over it with other players was really the whole start of the thread and both sides got a chance to vent...there should be game etiquette as some players are mean people, so they can get downright ugly ingame(even threatening chat), and follow other players , 'aggressively' to steal rep....I am glad you haven't experienced that...

On the other side of the coin,,we have the "I own this Boss/enemy, go away!", attitude of some players...lol.....again, I'm glad you are easy going....that helps set the tone wherever you are for the group...Imma big proponent of teaching by example.


On an up note,,,I seem to see less issue over it among groups now...hope thats the trend.

I try to always look for a quiet server when I am sailing or fighting to rep. Usually I can find Darkhart alone on a quiet one for a while. I get slightly annoyed when others arrive and just start swinging away with out as much as "would you mind". I always ask first if I see a group after the same thing.

As for sailing, I am trying to rep up my sailing - originally maxed out until the new levels came out. I always go to a quiet server to attack high level ships. I use both cannons and broadsides for higher rep and tend to take out the sails first then use broadsides which reps up both cannons and sailing. I guess I get really annoyed when I see other ships and plenty of other enemy ships but the other ship decides to ram the same ship I am after - When there are plenty of others to go after, even the same type as I am getting. I think this is just downright lazy on that ships part and rude. Why go after the ship I am sinking? Why can't they just go after another if there are a bunch right there.

This is happening A LOT lately that I noticed. No courtesy at all when it comes to this.

Just Sticking my 2 cents in for a second time,

Try to be understanding of players that don't follow the "unwritten" rules regarding rep stealing. If we turn them away from the game, then what have we accomplished? In no way does POTCO reference The Way of the Jedi, but try to keep that in mind.

Walk the higher path.

IMHO,

Rob:)

I don't know that anyone is turning them away from the game. Each time this familiar topic arises here, more people learn that it is considered rude. It's an education thing, for POF'ers to look at it maybe in a new way.

Disney is to blame for having rep-stealing programmed in as an integral part of the game. And perhaps, one might conclude that only people very comfortable with rep-stealing, stick around? (I don't agree with that conclusion.) Since Disney doesn't do much of anything, to encourage non-rep-stealing play when in those situations then only Disney can be blamed for people acting in a rude way, in those situations.

The most obvious thing I can see Disney fixing to lessen this problem, is to restore the teleport feature properly. You should be able to change servers when on Kingshead or Tormenta (or any island) and not be penalized by having to sail back there AGAIN. The game already has most of that code in place; why it doesn't work correctly is quite a mystery. (Yes, logging out or going to jail, you should return to port of call, but not merely switching servers to avoid a rude player.)

The other major major major thing Disney could do, which would require an astonishingly little amount of programming, is allow captains to boot players off their ships in regular sailing, not just privateering. The feature has not caused any grief in all the time it has been available in privateering.

When very polite people are lead to do seemingly rude things because of the game's inherent rep-stealing design, it is bad for everyone. Educating people on what rep-stealing actually is, can alleviate some of bad juju in those situations. If someone doesn't even know they are "rep-stealing" they can start things off on the wrong foot. Granted, usually rep-stealers are rude people overall. But sometimes it is simply someone who just doesn't know, or thinks they are "helping" defeat a nasty enemy.

Summertime sees a huge influx of very young, new pirates. So from now until about September, be prepared to see a log more of this...

I agree. There seems to be some type of supposed entitlement a few pirates exhibit when someone else "steals" their rep, and all of a sudden it is ok for the "offended" pirate to be rude or harass the other pirate. IMO being rude because someone else is rude is hypocrisy, but that's just me lol. I imagine a few younger or new pirates were turned off the game by the obviously rude behavior of someone they didn't even realize they had "stolen" rep from.

As far as POTCO is concerned, rep stealing: not in and of itself a violation of the TOU; harassment: always a definite violation of the TOU.

Imagine that not everyone who plays the game (1) is like you (2) understands exactly how you're playing the game (3) thinks you are in a position over them that they should heed your instructions on how they should play the game (4) realizes that they are on your private server... oh, wait a second, there are no private servers (in the live game) because this is an MMOG: Massive MULTI-PLAYER Online Game. If you want a private server, you could try to contact Disney. They probably would be hesitant, but if they would acquiesce you probably couldn't afford it lol.

umm, yeah, what seafox said.

One thing about not being able to boot for actual real sailing. They MIGHT I repeat MIGHT not do it because of people misusing it. They might just boot off everybody they sea or if they get some full royals they boot off everybody on the ship so they just wasted their time. This might be the ONLY reason why they won't do this, or they're just lazy to hit a fwe buttons to let it happen.

I agree - they might not do it because of those fears. Yet those same fears have not played out in privateering.

I have heard these type of "issues" in many other online games. Wizard 101, for example. To Quest in that game, you usually are tasked to defeat X number of baddies. But then some other beastlord level 50 comes in a cremates the baddies before you even pick your spell/weapon. Rep/XP stealing. That is annoying. But in PotCO, I believe since it is possible to double team on a stronger baddy, we pirates should take advantage of that. Two level 15's can probably take down a level 19 and such. They both get the Rep Points. We must take baby steps. The newcomers/noobs will level quite quickly if the higher levels allow them to double team on more difficult bad guys. Then, when they are high enough level to fend for themselves, we let them go. Only THEN, may we higher levels politely ask the noobs to please leave us alone. If they deny, well, simply train somewhere else. It is as simple as that. :skull:

"Simply train somewhere else" would be viable, if you could switch servers and remain on the out island. (E.g. Kingshead, Tormenta.)

Does get annoying after doing 8 or 10 server changes to find a spot where you can work a boss alone. This after passing up several places that were allready occupied by individuals or groups leveling and treasure hunting. In this case it was Darkheart. And within five minutes after finding a server where I had him all to myself someone else shows up, has a bunch of their friends TP in and takes over.

So What!
 

My sentiments are "SO WHAT!" Thats what the game is all about. This is the most offensive term used by this forum and players in game. I pay and you pay.Get Over IT!

How is it rep stealing if you get a REP BONUS for 2 people attacking at the same time?

If you are within a crew yes.

You don't get a bonus unless you are in a crew, even then you still have a good chance of getting reduced rep.

Here is just a example I came up with regarding rep. Assume that pirate 1 (P1) is level 40, pirate 2 (P2) is level 30, enemy 1 (E1) is level 40, and enemy 2 (E2) is level 30. Now for rep, high (H), medium (M), low (L).

If you notice, the pirate who can't kill the higher level enemy alone always gains medium to high rep. However, the pirate who can kill both enemies alone gains high rep by himself, but when the other player joins in, he gains less rep.

Now, it doesn't seem fair that the higher level player is receiving less rep. If you see, when both pirates fight an enemy alone, they gain medium to high rep. If they are both in a crew, soloing enemies in the same area will give them even more rep!

from what i've read so far is from ppl obbsessed with getting rep i really have no care in the world if someone comes to attack an enemy with me its a MULTI player game theres going to be others out there if you have problems with that. i have just a few words for ya...



GET A SINGLE PLAYER GAME!

reading these posts are fun everyone has their own reasons but the big one in flashing lights screaming at ya hasn't been touched if you'd like enmies all to your one some what in the world are you doing on a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER game? now what about if your guild teleports and attacks the enemy? do you freak out and call them rep stealers?!?!? i don't think so. just because you don't know someone and they come and attack the smae enemy your attacking means you can be mad and call them rep stealers...

I'd like to quote my good friedns the Host GMs if you ask them to be your friend they say "I am friends with everyone no need to keep a list" Why can't we all be friends and attack the enemies together? just to get my point across this is a multiplayer game ya know?


oh and another thing take into mind the pirates song....
WE Pilliage WE plunder
its not
I Pillage I plunder

Before I say anything else I want to point out that I don't worry about rep stealing and such on A servers in particular and busy servers in general. In busy areas it is unreasonable to expect an enemy all to yourself. On quiet servers its a whole different ballgame. If a person or a group of people go to the trouble of tpng to a quiet server and finding a place away from others to play maybe they don't want you imposing yourself on therm. That should be respected. There are always plenty of quiet servers in this game so there are plenty of enemies to go around. No need to horn in on enemies that others are fighting. So all my comments here are assuming that the players are on quiet servers.


The fact that this is a a massive multiplayer game is no excuse for disregarding the feelings and game experience of others, in fact it is all the more reason to do your best to be courteous and respectful of others and let them level without undermining their efforts. Whats so hard about asking to join in? Whats so hard about saying "I need to kill some enemies that are too tough for me to handle alone, would you help me?" And whats so hard about fighting your own enemies instead of forcing yourself on others? If you can't do these things then you are the one that needs to GET A SINGLE PLAYER GAME, not those of us who choose to help others get rep rather then steal it from them. In single player games you can attack any enemy you want without being a detriment to others' enjoyment of the game.

Just because someone likes to play solo from time to time doesn't mean that they don't like to play with others as well, but when and if they do want to play solo they have the right to do so and no one has the right to take that away from them.

We don't do that in our guild. If say a new member where to do that I or another officer would explain to them that they need to ask to tp to others and they should not attack an enemy some one else is fighting without asking. If they continue in this behavior then they leave the guild. No yelling needed.

No they shouldn't get mad, its a game, not worth it. Also if you don't know someone you should talk to them before imposing yourself on them just common sense and common courtesy.

ROFL - thats a wonderful way to blow someone off without actually saying " no you can't be my friend." I'll have to remember it.

Hate to spoil your Kumbaya moment but just because it is a multiplayer game doesn't mean that everyone is required to play with all other players at all times. Everyone is free to choose who they play with and no one is required to play with anyone else.

I think Dan_OB summed that up. If someone went through the trouble of going to a quiet area, other players should respect that, and go to another area themselves (or at least ask if they could join). If you're on a busy server though (which the rep "obsessed" people here more then likely were not), the rep stealing conversation doesn't belong.

I just wanted to add, just because this is a multiplayer game, that doesn't mean people are required to play together. An MMO pretty much means there are a lot of players in the game, it doesn't restrict them to certain playing styles. Saying that rep stealing is okay simply because this is a multiplayer game is pretty much saying it's okay for my level 50 pirate to kill everything in a crowded Fort Charles. That's not really considerate to other players.

On top of what's already said, other than rep, what other reason is there for someone to jump in on another player's fighting? If they want a quest done quicker, they could easily go to a busy server. Same deal with loot. As for rep, they can clearly earn more solo. Oh well.

This really relates to the "Are people getting ruder?" thread. There is a person behind every pirate, and each and every one of them deserves respect. Players should respect each others playing styles, as well as refrain from rude behavior to others.

What Dan said is pretty good. This could be a subject of people getting rufer or having to much pride.

Also the only time I see rep stealing is when sa low level, lets say like a level 15 or lower is following me around on tormenta and attacking every enemy after I get in a few hits. It just get annoying, but other than that I dont really have a problem with people attacking the enemy(s) Im fighting.

maybe those people you see "rep stealing" is possibly a younger player who cannot type very well and just wanted to fight an enemy with you big bad pirates.... IK someone in fact that does do that a relative too young to type but enjoys fighting with others..


And my answers are baised because i've been around for a long time and still no mastered pirates i'm not obbessed with rep i just enjoy the game like i did way back when... I don't remember as many fights and conflicts back then...

Aren't we all here because we enjoy Pirates Of the Carribean Online? Ik thats why i'm here... I'm not here to see who can lvl a pirate teh fastest. I'm not here to master out all my pirates alone and finish up the game so that i can demand new content because i've already finished it all.

Now 7seconds think about that there lvl 15.... hes a weak little guy in tormenta surronded by all these high lvls he can't beat Then he sees this strong pirate over lvl 40 i would assume and he thinks "Hey maybe i can finally beat that lvl 50 captian there" Those guys can't just go get a different enemy because they are too low of a lvl. and more than likely these 'rep stealers' you guys are talking about are 4 year olds trying out a pirates online game.

You don't have to be obsessed with rep to find others leeching off the enemies you are trying to get by yourself annoying.

See my statement above.

Why should a level 15 be there in the first place? If I ever saw a level 15 in Tormenta, I'd simply tell them that it was too dangerous for them here, and maybe hea;/revive them in they get attacked. Of course, the second time, I won't be as generous with my tonics. Hey, they need to learn one way or another.

Someone doesn't have to type very well to understand someone doesn't want them fighting the same enemy. If they can't read what the other player is saying, then I really don't see why they're playing, or don't have someone there to help them play.

We're all here because we enjoy the game, that's why everyone needs to learn to respect one another. Some people don't care about rep, but they also need to realize, there are others that do. If you don't care about rep, why ruin the others persons playing experience by getting involved in their fighting? If you really don't care about rep, go to a busier server, and let those people on the quiet server do what they went there to do.

A level 15 player may be new, but hopefully by that time they have learned they can only kill things around their level. If they haven't, there is still no reason at all for them to be in Tormenta. Saying that they may be "4 years old" doesn't change a thing. No "4 year old" should be online anyway, but if they are, they should have someone by their side helping them. And by that, I mean a parent or guardian.

Rep Stealing
 

Players just won't give up about rep stealing,as offensive as it is from my previous posts. Why not just petition POTCO about the rules.See if they will change them that way they can suspend us from the game. That way you can have the servers all to yourself. Personally i am not a rep stealer.I pay for the game and until there are rules that say we have to be asked to play in a particular area i and many others will continue to do so.

Suspending players for rep stealing isn't needed, players just need to learn to respect others.

What is so difficult about that? If one person wants to fight alone, but another person wants to fight together, why can't the second person go to a busier server? If they did that, both players would get what they want.

Saying that people paying for the game makes a difference doesn't change a thing either. Just like saying it's a multiplayer game. Both of those reasons mean I can let my level 50 kill everything in a crowded Fort Charles. That's not considerate to the others, now is it? My level 50's only reason to go there would be because I want to kill stuff, why would I make it difficult for other players though when I could easily go somewhere else?

Plus, if paying for the game means you can play how you want. What about the other person paying for the game, the one that is having rep stolen from them? I like how paying for the game benefits certain players over others.

"Rep-Stealing"... I remember in 2008 when that meant nothing. Then I quit for a couple years, joined again a few weeks ago, and see someone arguing with someone about rep stealing in Fort Charles! "He's a high level, he's stealing our rep," he told me. I told him, "Go to a quiet server," with an immediate response from him, "shut up."

The more attacks you use on a person alone gets you more rep. Whenever I train my grenades at Kingshead on a busy or ideal server, I get less rep then on a quiet server. This is because a large amount of low level people are too busy mobbing the people I'm trying to attack, just to get some rep. They all attack the enemies about one or two times and run away while I am working my butt off to train my grenades and pistol (I rarely use them). They get rep they don't deserve, and tell me or someone else to leave. I switch servers, and they probably get knocked out. Because no one is reviving them.

Also, high level people are an issue. They are at Fort Charles attacking grunts with Siege grenades and Banish. Now that is just weird, they only get a few rep! Go to the town area in Kingshead and defeat dragoons, or head to Isla Congrejos and defeat French Undead Capitaines. Leave everyone else alone.

All your carefully chosen words just prove my point. no one owns the game. Not even you.:)

What Sven said! I mean whats the point in people going to a busy server and knowing that people are going to come to their place of chosen battle. xD

Also if people are level 50 and they just go to a newbies enemy and kill them with one sweep or one Blunderbuss shot, just to show how powerful they are and show off its just not fair on the other person, especially if they are paying for the game its a waste of their money.

My Noob speech has finished.

busy server vs quiet
 

I usually go to a quiet server and still had the same problem. As far as level 50's we can't go higher. So we fight to win gold,weapons,and clothing. We are not fighting easy enemies what would be the point. So it's not about how high you are or how low.
quiet server or busy.It's about people ,real people who are trying to control the game.

There may not be anything stating we can't rep steal. But, it doesn't hurt to be considerate to another player if you see it is bothering them.

The real problem with rep stealing isn't people trying to control the game. The real problem is people not taking into consideration what another player wants. If one person wants to play alone, and another wants to play together. The second person can easily go to a busy server, allowing both players to get what they want.

You would be surprised what some people in this game do. There are level 50 players that kill lower level enemies for various reasons.

I use a much more devious approach. If some very low level pirate comes along and engages in rep-stealing, I inform them that it is generally frowned upon. If they do something annoying, such as continuing to rep-steal, calling me a noob or something else, or anything of the like, I usually help them so their confindence is built up and stand on the sidelines and watch them get knocked out by a Brinescum! Then laugh at them while they scream "REVIVE" :laughks2: This always works in Tormenta! :D

That is the best solution EVAR! :dancetl6:
Pirate Buddy Jigging time!

It's better when you do the actual laugh (type in /laugh).

Just like the other people said. A level 15 should know he dosent belong in or around tormenta, there are other places he can level up, he just wants to get rep by riding my coat tails, and well since I didnt do that when I first played the game (late 2007) im not letting him do that either.


Thats the same thing I do.

Blah.
 

:degen: Personally, I don't mind. Look at it this way. The enemy is not yours. It's a pack of data that anyone can attack. I might be annoyed, but I don't mind. Look at it this way. If someone " helps " with your enemy, you can defeat it twice as fast. That way, you can burn through two enemies in the time it takes you to beat one ( hypothetically ). Which gives you more chances of loot, more gold, etc.

Bad behavior is just bad behavior. I was in menta tonight in a crew with a 50. I was on a 35. Said 50 attacks a guy I am. (Yeah, there were other guys there, he was even going after a different one when he went after the one I was too.) My first response was, Excuse me! Nothing more. He did it again. So I asked him to stop. He starts spouting off on how I don't own the game an I have an ego problem.

Now I dunno, but it seems to me that a fully mastered 50 aught to be able to let a 35 take one guy at a time without having to get a piece of it. By all means decimate the other 7 nearby at once. If someone asks nicely to leave their single guy at a time alone the decent thing to do would be to kill away on the other 7 guys an leave the person who asked, the one dude at a time they ask for.

FYI, quiet server it was a friend of a friend.

My level 50 almost fully mastered pirate has done very few quests. I hate to quest and left my pearl quest for last. I am just done with the first recruit. So now I do kill low level targets just because I want to get leadership.

My other level 50 loots at Bosses and tormenta because there are no other places to do it.

Recently at Darkhart on a quiet server I was looting, two smaller pirates a 24 and 31 came along and joined in. No problem I can share. They had a problem they said rep was too low and told me to leave several times.

I let them get a darkhart and few minions on their own. The level 24 was taking a beating. I went to heal and they said do not bother "We are god. "

I thought they meant good. But realized their health did not lower.

They were glitching and did not want to change server and lose invincibility.

The one asked me if I knew how to god glitch. I said " No, but I know I do not need it ."

Another reason why some people like to play alone or in small groups LAG. Nothing to do with rep or loot or company too many players in one area can boot some people or create the black screen of death.:cat5:

This may be the case if you are on a quest or just fighting for loot and you want to be done with it but if you are fighting something for rep defeating something twice as fast isn't what you want. With rep the longer it takes you to defeat an enemy the better.

The argument that the enemy doesn’t belong to anyone and that they are there for everyone to fight has come up a number of times. The problem is that this doesn’t hold water. True enough, none are the personal property of anyone and they are there for everyone to use.The enemies can be considered public facilities, they are there for everyone to use but not necessarily at the same time,

For example,in a public park a family is having a picnic at a picnic table.Another family comes along and wants to use a picnic table, is it okay for the 2nd family to just set themselves down at the first familie’s table? Or would you expect them to find an open table or if there is no other table, wait their turn?

Or say there is a public basketball court and a group of people are playing a game. If a 2nd group comes along is it okay for them to just jump in and start shooting baskets? Or would it be better for the 2nd group to go to another court, wait their turn or talk to the 1st group and find away to play together on the court? It is a public facility there for everyone to use. But if everyone uses it at the same time its of no use to anyone. So it is understood that these things are available on a first come first serve basis. Otherwise your just asking for friction and ill will.

As in these cases, just because they are there for everyone to use does not make it alright to just jump in and use them when someone else is already using them.

I see your point, but I think your example is weak, in my opinion....:pirate30:
You see a picnic table and families exist in real life, POTC is a game!
Having rep 'stolen' as some put it, can be annoying, but would you not, just find another enemy? It could be that Pirate that stole your rep has been going through servers searching for that particular enemy as a quest? Or follow the pirate that 'stole' your rep and do the same thing back? We are meant to be Pirates in this game, so let us act like Pirates, or ask for a PVP and kick their backsides!!!

How does that make a difference? It maybe a game but the people playing the game are real life people just as deserving of courtesy and respect as people in "real life". The only difference I see is that people see the anonymity of the internet as an excuse to behave in ways they wouldn't dare when dealing with people face to face.

I have two problems with that. One is that I have tried to do that and more often then not they will follow me to the new enemy. The 2nd reason is why is it up to me to find another enemy when the intruder should have gone to another enemy in the first place.

A very unlikely scenario. When do you see this as a possibility and how does it justify rep stealing?

If for some reason this is the case you can take one low power hit on the enemy thus getting credit for the quest but not taking away much rep from the other player. Better yet, attune and heal the other pirate and get credit for the quest that way. Another option is to explain your situation to the other player and odds are a solution can be worked out that is agreeable to both.


A bad idea in so many ways. Lets just say I don't want to use other peoples bad behavior to justify my own bad behavior.


Sorry, but I am so sick of this lame excuse.. Just because we are pretending to be pirates is not a license to be rude and obnoxious. And if I play PvP its for fun not for payback.

Matey, if your not willing to take another man's opinion and be childish about it, on you go. Your reply is in fact no better than the "Rep stealers" you refer to!
The fact is there is all sorts of people on this online game and many age groups too! Its available to everyone all over the world, maybe you should chill out a bit.

WOW! Didn't expect all that hostility! What exactly did I say that strikes you as childish? Perhaps something I said came across more harshly then intended, happens to all of us in written communication, but your lack of specifics leads me to believe that thats not the problem. If you actually do have a grievance I'd like to hear what it is.

A suggestion, while living in that glass house, put the stones down!

Sure has happened to me:SkullBullet1:

Rep-stealing used to be a minor annoyance for me. Just go to a quiet sever, you know? Or mess with the people who do it to you! XD However, this weekend both Galaacare and Cruzman were "Ideal"... They have always been quiet though! A new wave of kids with summer break has not only increased rep-stealing, but has given us less places to go away from it. It is REALLY wearing thin...

i think the only place we can get rid of rep steeting is padres where low lvl ppl have no bisness being there so just ask them why they are where thay can't kill anything on there own there exept one scorpian thats lvl 2-5 that shouldn't be there. the easyest way to get rid of them is keep them off padres.

i hate when the noobs do hit an enemy im killing once im like -_- then i tlel them to go away then they try to kill me with a 2 hit combo sword... i just act like im afk... but after the 5 minutes of "swish swoosh swish swoosh swish swoosh swish swoosh" i get relly annoyed so i do the blue staff forcefield and voodoo doll attunement glitch and kill them

You had better hope you aren't ever around me mate, when you do....

Why risk getting banned or suspended? Its not cool.

Does that make you any better than the rep-stealer? Thats a little childish and can probably get you banned. Try talking to him or chaging server, or etc.

This is getting a little off hand lets keep it cool before this becomes a riot. :Pirate4: