You kids need to STOP ABUSING SPEED GLITCHES in pvp.
 

I'm a pretty hardcore pvper. What makes me angry are idiots glitching up the game, thinking they are so pro.

I don't know if you've guys noticed, but getting banned over a pvp game isn't worth it. Stop glitching.

Ive been trying to find ways to combat glitchers, but i can't really, besides glitching outside the area.

Ok, first things first, not all speeders are kids. Second, posting names actually does not help your case any. Third, yes, speeding bites big time, but D can detect it, and they do try to stop it. All you can really do is wait for them to get caught up with.

Are you sure they weren't just using one of the speed potions, instead of using the glitch? Unless you said "No tonics" before the match, then you really can't consider them "cheating."

Changing between your weapons lightning fast and throwing thousands of daggers at once with no cooldown isn't caused by potions.

And yes, speed glitchers on PVP ARE kids. If you have the audacity to break PVP even more, and actually feel ACCOMPLISHED in doing so, you're a kid.

wow dude.. no offense at all right....but seriously, calm down and take a deep breath.. not ALL of them are kids, there are some adults in game who act very VERY immature. You dont know actually that they are kids or adults. enough with the judging please. If you dont like it, then report it and move on

Ok, last time round here. A, thanks for removing the names. B, glitching does not actually harm the programing, and does not actually break the system. C, setting out broad spectrum general statements like people who speed and feel good about it are kids whether or not they actually are could be considered form of trolling.

That said, that's it for me on this thread.

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I agree, it was better when glitching was not involved. But, I find it very very annoying when you say blades only, and your opponent pulls a staff or grenades. So, to be safe, I take a deadly weapon to defeat them with their own strategy. When they complain, I tell them... "You were the first to break the match rules of blades only, now we're even...".

James

Please don't call me a troll, because im not trolling. If you want me to call these "Kids" "Immature possible adults but possibly may actually be children" then thats fine. However, the point of this thread is to inform how broken PVP is, and if anybody is doing this glitch currently, then you should stop doing so.

When i say "PVP being broken" I mean it's unplayable. 90% of the games i attempt to join now are run by these types of glitchers, which means theres no point in playing if I get brawled, sweeped, Throw dirt'd, vipers nest'd, and Blade storm'd in 3 seconds. Also taking into consideration the difficulty of actually getting to the report screen on these people (For those who dont know, you have to maximize the chat screen, keep it open, get killed, and quickly click on the glitcher and hit report)



I'm basically just ranting now, since I used to play PVP quite a lot, now i have to deal with this. However, there IS hope. These speed glitches have been out for a year, but disney CAN fix these! I predict they'll fix it when the kraken comes out.

This is a problem that's been around for a while. The ones who do this vary in age, however age doesn't matter, they're being immature either way. Whether the person is a kid, or an adult doesn't change a thing.

If PvP is such a problem, I would just suggest only PvPing with your friends. That is the only way to remain safe from this. There are other issues that play a role in this as well, such as hitting esc + F1 (2, 3 or 4) to draw your weapon quicker.


I wish it could be fixed, but it is actually very difficult. Speeding was originally done by changing the time on your computer, now third party programs are the cause. The only way to fix it is with terminating accounts, however the person will just make a new one.

Just to add, you can report by emailing Disney, it is much easier, and you are given a response (sometimes generic, but a response none the less).

I do admit, I used this glitch before, with a computer that had issues getting online. Once it loaded, I would fix it back to normal speed though. I no longer need it because I have no more issues with this new rig. I have found many glithers, and some have invited me into crew. I was training nades in Tormenta for a while, and one of them gives me the idea to attack the Fly Traps on Outcast. Was a good idea, but I supposed he used speeding to train his nades like he was training his single shot, so I reported him.

All I can say is report them. No matter what, you can't do anything else to stop them.

Not everyone is kids. I don't think anyone can throw all daggers at once, u mean like within 1-2 seconds? Coz throwing daggers within like 1-2 seconds isn't speeding, that's fast switch, kinda like how fast switch is done for grenades.

Ok brawl & throw dirt are both cheap, I thought it was like an understood rule 2 not use brawl & throw dirt when its blades only. If you don't like daggers that much, u could always go the old school pvp style where it was just cutlass only back in the day.

Agree.

OMG

tayseth, my heart goes out to you bro. Don't expect sympathy here on POF - the broad majority of people here don't understand the difference between HACKING, vs. the swift foot potion. Or maybe they do, but abuse CE themselves, therefore try to obfuscate your complaint.

For example, you can explain that you were hit 20-50 times in 2 or 3 seconds, yet people here on POF will think you are trying to describe fast-switching (HAHAHAHAHA.) Obviously you are talking about encountering someone who has hacked the game...but the denial around here will earn you derision instead of compliments. HACKING the game is a blatant violation of Disney's terms of service, yet rarely results in even a 72 hour suspension.

Yes, speeding has been a problem for a very long time. Disney has never pursued the makers of cheat engine (they should, as should the FBI) probably because they don't realize how much revenue they lose from it. Disney has never bothered with a snippet of heartbeat code to verify clockspeed (from client computer vs. any Disney server) so they actually have no way of knowing, currently. The new potions make it harder for Disney to verify reports of abuse.

Some good news:

• http://piratesonline.go.com/
• Help (navigation bar on left of page)
• Contact Us (first item)
• E-mail form (third link)
• Report Misbehaving Players

Fortunately, in there, you can get as lengthy as you need to. The bad news, is that they seem to be ignoring reports.

Again, from what you said, you are encountering people who have HACKED the game. That is clear to me, as I also see people like that almost daily.

Now, just to be thorough...

Swift foot glitch:

origin: Disney
method: done within the context of the game
running speed: up to 30 times normal speed (each increment increases chances of client game crashing - my tests got me to 15 one day.)
jumping height: up to 30 times normal height
attack speed: unchanged
sailing speed: unchanged
server performance effects: minimal or no affect to other people's games
worth reporting: nope

Fast switching (e.g. bladestorm/Esc) glitch:

origin: Disney
method: done within the context of the game
running speed: unchanged
attack speed: up to an 80% speed increase (less than twice as fast as normal)
sailing speed: unchanged
server performance effects: minimal or no affect to other people's games
worth reporting: nope

Hacking game:

Origin: unknown
method: done using 3rd party software in complete violation of TOS
running speed: up to 100 times normal speed (one-click - limit is client computer's available computing power)
jumping height: up to 100 times normal height
attack speed: up to 100 times normal attack rate
sailing speed: up to 100 times normal sailing speed
server performance effects: catastrophic affects to any other player on that server. Enemy re-spawning alone, locks up server for 3 to 5 seconds at a time.
worth reporting: absolutely

Sailing (regular, not SvS) is perhaps the worst effect. When someone is hacking the game, even if you are on their ship, it is impossible to even get off a single shot at an enemy ship before it is gone. It is beyond ridiculous to even try launching your own ship - every enemy will simply vanish before your pirate's eyes. The servers struggle to match the hacked client computer's speed, so the ships you do encounter will be attacking YOUR SHIP at the speed of the person hacking (NOT FUN!) if they have been aggro'd by the hacker, before you. Enemy ships respawn everywhere with little or no warning.

Sailing in ship vs. ship (privateering) makes SvS an absurdly unplayable part of the game POTCO. With max windcatcher, max ramming speed, when you see someone sail circles around your war sloop...guess what? Yup, they are hacking the game. I know of only 1 person (not me) who played SvS from the start, that still plays it regularly. Without some way of immediately booting people hacking the game, there really is no point in even trying SvS. Even on a quiet server, you can only play with friends or guild mates for a couple minutes, before someone hacking the game will come along.

Within the regular game (land-based enemies) you can be in the cursed caverns, and see the red dots just disappear from the F8 map when someone cruises through. If very very adept, you might be able to click on their pirate as they fly by. You can switch servers or wait it out. Fortunately, they have the attention span of gnats, rarely doing more than three or four laps. (6 to 8 minutes.) You can observe the server grinding to a halt, trying to keep up with the hacked pirate...your pirate will barely be able to move at all.

The effects of hacking in PvP is somewhat more pronounced. People hacking the game can easily land 50 attacks in 2 seconds. Obviously that makes PvP silly. But do remember the "~" key while in PvP match - get the screenshots you can, then pop out to the "Contact us" e-mail form and give it a shot.

Sadly, both people I've reported for hacking just this week, I've encountered again the next day after reporting.

Bottom line...

People who can't WIN any other way will find short cuts and somehow they now feel accomplished. This goes into the same lump for me as those who sucker you in by challenging you with a low-level character, but upon inspection you find that they've mastered cutlass and nothing else - hoping to fool people or worse, you jump into a match - only to find they didn't tell you about their 2-3 friends in their crew who ambush you.

It's predatorial.

These low lifes live off exploiting the system and pummeling any suckers they can lure in. I pretty much gave up on PvP and SvS some time ago, only now doing it with fellow guild members. Both features are full of hustlers and bad sports.

And sadly Tay, I'm sorry we can't name names. Maybe posting the cheats publicy would shame them or at least WARN others not to fight them.

(Please don't call this trolling, because if you do - then you're defending cheaters.)

The only time I PVP is with a very good guild mate, or during BBK events. I just don't go with people I don't know. Therefore, I've never been subject to this type of cheating in PVP.

I agree with you guys, but imo, it seems very very hard to find a descent playing pirate for anything, whether its pvp, svs, parlor games, or leveling. I was on abassa recently, and I got stormed with people who wanted to pvp me. I said no and they called me bad names because I refused to battle them. If the person doesnt get what they want, they will be angry, simple for them. They called me some bad things, so I reported them, and it made me feel very good because I probably won't see them for days because of what they did. All I have to say now is where is Edward Kidd... he was on Abassa a few months ago taking down hackers and people who glitch by knocking them out, over and over again, whoever tried to help them. This was before the potions, so it was easy to tell, and that is why he is my favorite GM, always respecting the Code.

hey james knocking the "hackers and people who glitch" out seems to be such a light punishment. I have no idea how that GM determines who cheats/glitch, he might KO innocent people lol. KO-ing them doesn't serve any purpose because they love getting the attention from a GM and will probably love it. (as was the case in Constance's role-playing event where people go into her house on purpose even knowing they would get KO-ed)

I like the discussion of this topic.

D has make it hard for to report speeders. Why? Speeders who cheat using 3rd party software can raise the defence of "legitimately" using Swift Foot, since the introduction of such Potion. Is there even a way to report them using the button? For bad behaviour? Doesn't seem to fall into the category. Wish there is a "Report Cheats"

When I come across pirates using macro, how can I report them for bad behaviour? D is just going to skim through their chat logs whenever such report was made.

I had an experience of reporting a player who couldn't die last year. A few reported him for bad behaviour and I took the effort to personally email D to describe our bad experience with that player. No suspension or ban was meted out to our disappointment.

D claims "we take these reports seriously and review each one."

I asked them how can a moderator review the misbehaving player's action from just the chat logs. and they replied

"This will instantly notify a Moderator that attention should be given to this account, and you can rest assured that we will fully investigate the situation."

Does that mean the Mod will personally and instantly give his attention to those being reported? If they do, I am sure they cant supervise the reports 24/7 especially in the middle of the night.

I just like to frustrately conclude that D can't do anything to cheater/glitcher/speeders because Chat Logs and Screenshots can't prove their violations unless they explicitly declare "I AM USING <program> LOLZ"

Hopefully they will research into Anti-Cheats, as i'm sure some games can detect it.

Now that I think about it, maybe they should add a report button to report somebody speed hacking. That way Disney could look into the cases more effectively, and hopefully get rid of the players.

Aye,,,I sent em feedback a dozen times....and whoever said the people on POF don't get things...lol...only some don't get it...some of us have been around longer(thru multiple accounts and many pirates), and just know whats changed, and some know the tech thats available and being used...

Its a worthy discussion....and we all rant in forums sometimes...especially right after something happens that is the catalyst.

I keep a list of names....the good, the bad, and the ugly....its how I crew and how I pvp...;)

Heres how an average game of PVP goes for me.

Average Mayhem

1. Wait for 10 minutes on the Abassa server for a game. (Normally it would take 3 minutes.)
2. Enter game.
3. Glitcher/hacker kills himself with siege charge.
4. Me: "Wow. Im not in the mood to play glitchers"
5. Said glitcher/hacker goes along attacking me with every weapon he can hold, using his dagger most because of its slow ability.
6. Glitcher/hacker seems to get a kick out of killing someone who isn't fighting back, and does so till game ends.
7. The Game.

PVP=Broken.

I don't Pvp much but I SvS all the time and its frustrating to have some speeder come along and round up all the bounty and port. I'm not sure what Big D can do about detecting the software but I hope they find a means soon and ban accounts. I play another game where Bots had become a problem it took sometime but they finally found a way to detect them and spent a month or so rounding up and building cases against the cheaters that had messed up the PvP in that game so bad. In one day they banned 3,700 accounts, not 3 days but permanent to the IP so no new accounts coming frm that comp and if you used 2 to play? both got the axe. They did it with flair also, Death rose from the ground and with a scyth cut the offender down in public view, the bodies fell to the ground burning never to be played again. The people came to forums like this and complained of how unfair it was and how they had lost friends and hours of work, my thought? it was unfair to everybody else when you cheated and messed up the game, good bye to bad rubbish.

So here is your notice if you cheat you are violating the user agreament and Big D can and will ( not if but when ) ban your account to the point you will never swing a cutlass again.

P.S. This isn't directed at anyone in person just speeders as a whole. Just in case the you and yours sounded to personal.

Speaking of which, anyone know how to spawn in pvp not invisible???? Every single pvp I've done since Spring/Summer 2009, I've spawned invisible & I have to kill myself or get killed so my avatar reloads on the screen, every single pvp except ONE like a month ago. Only method I've heard of is hitting Tab repeatedly during the loading screen that loads u into the pvp, that method has only successfully worked for me once, =( but for some ppl it works all the time.

I undrerstand ur mad but its not always kids it could be adults who suck at mmogs and need to have the feeling of a acomplishment

and i took some offence from that
and i dont glitch in places involving other ppl

Just a sidenote: you do have your grenade passive skill "ignore pain" at rank 5 before going into PvP, don't you?

Careful what you say here. I'm pretty sure Big D does see this site. Saying you don't glitch around ppl is basically saying that you do glitch when you're off on your own. Whether it is around other pirates or solo, taking advantage of glitches of this nature is still cheating and against the TOU.

All of the things said are reasons why I stopped PvP and SvS. Glitches and player-player complaints are things that have no room in my play time.

I don't see how POF members are in favor of any kind of glitching, as mentioned by someone. If that was the case the thread would have been deleted a long time ago. I have many friends here and none, to my knowledge, like glitches. Specially in PvP or SvS. I saw no post trying to block your point. If anything they all agree, including myself. They are just saying that the glitchers are of all ages.

I hope that they can have better in-game quality control. And that IP ban sounds great to me. That would prevent multiple accounts by the same person after he/she gets a ban.

I do take offense when someone says that "the broad majority" in POF are dumb or blind to an issue.

I can understand someone taking offense, if in fact they do represent "the broad majority" of POF. But not if they don't.

I can understand that same person rewording things to sound offensive ("dumb"/"blind") where simple statements of fact originally were.

On this thread alone, only 1 respondent indicated understanding of the difference between glitching and hacking, while about 18 posts made little or no distinction between glitching (OK with Disney) and hacking (not OK with Disney), which, to me, confirms the fact that "the broad majority of people here don't understand the difference".

Glitches are added by Disney, apparently intentionally (usually as "Easter eggs.") Third-party tools used to hack the game, are not.

First off, mate. I take offense because the broad majority are my friends. They are people that I respect and play with. I have taken the time to know that broad majority.

If I reworded was because that is what the post I was making reference to said. Just nicely.

And for your information, using glitches to take advantage of the game in any way shape or form is also not OK with Disney. Other threads on the subject have been made. Feel free to browse. That to me indicates that you have joined that "broad majority".

Saying that Disney adds glitches for fun with no proof is indeed ridiculous. And glitches must be reported to Disney Testers know this. It's their responsibility.

The fact remains, that you took offense to a statement of fact. I understand, irrational people can take offense at anything. It is tough to admit you are wrong, especially when you are.

Disney promotes their game with clear admission of Easter eggs. Where THEY draw the line, is extraordinarily clear in their TOS and TOU.

http://piratesonline.go.com/#/help/g..._policies.html

http://piratesonline.go.com/#/help/faq_03.html#16

Or how about at http://piratesonline.go.com/#/game_i...e_life_01.html where, indeed, it says "...cheating will be encouraged which is very Jack Sparrow-like." That is, cheating within the context of the game.

I report glitches, particularly ones I find on test. Some (if not most) have gone years without being addressed. Some, instead of being fixed, are surreptitiously condoned (such as adding potions to the game that mimic the same effects.)

By your repeated personal attacks (against my general statements of fact) you do indeed implicate yourself, as one among those trying intentionally to obfuscate the issues. Shame on you.

Regardless, the fact remains that the broad majority here on POF either do not know the difference, or intentionally try to confuse the two.

Are we honestly going in an arguement over what is and what isn't considered glitching and hacking?

If you take advantage of the game for your own benefit, which may in turn affect the game if possible, then you can say its wrong, by any means. If you use harmless glitches to entertain yourself, like the Empty KH glitch (which is going to be done away with now that the gate at Kingshead on Test is open instead of a door,) then there shouldn't be a problem. Either way, cheating is cheating.

Yes, cheating in card games, which is card swapping. This has nothing else to do with cheating that was not intended by Disney, and therefore, can be accepted.

Again, does it make a difference? Not everybody is somebody who knows every single side of the technicalities of PotCO, including myself in a 100% complete sense. They are simply trying to express their opinion, that glitchers/hackers in PvP, or as I like to call, cheaters, should be punished.

Back on to the main topic - bottom line, using any means, whether naturally created without the intention of Disney in the game, or by outside means, should be discouraged. And I get what he is trying to say when he means "kids." Hes not necessarily saying only young ones are the cheaters, but instead, cheaters, of all ages, are "kids," or by a better word, "immature."

lol, where are you getting this whole "broad majority" information from? Is this some statement of fact? Where are you getting your facts from regarding what POF members think, feel, or understand. I would love to look over this information. Sounds to me like you are just making it up.

All I have to say is that this is now just a new feature to the game - I doubt it will EVER stop, and it will just seem like part of the game. I don't see how this could possibly end - I don't see how no one will be hacking the game for a single second - because there'll always be that ONE person on the Exubia server spamming Sweep on Gravediggers you need to start your POTCO journey.

Basically: Get used to it...

Selectively quoting, or perhaps you can't read an entire sentence? I'm going by what people here say; I make no claims to being able to read your mind. Since it bears repeating,

QED.

And so, the same (incorrect) point of view are repeated by several. OK. Thanks for reminding me, that the broad majority here, are not worth anyone's time. Particularly mine. Adieu.

IMO, "glitching" is a term being used that a wide variety of players can understand as something not right with the game. I also don't believe that the term "Hacking" is appropriate in this case. These pirates are not breaking into the game. They are not personally changing the speed of the game. They are using a thied party program that is against Disney's rules. Cheating is really the most appropriate term that I can think of. The point of the thread is that, whatever you call it, taking advantage of something that gives you a leg up in the game is wrong.

You have every right to your own opinion, just like I have every right to mine. This does not mean that either of us is wrong. But making statements like

is just pointless and derogatory to this broad majority that you reference. If we are not worth your time, than why are you spending your time here?

The former. Perhaps you do not understand the reason why. It was because I didn't want to take the time to refute your entire post. Perhaps my selective quoting gave you an easy way to not answer my valid question(s). Since you did not answer, I will more completely quote you then ask again since the unanswered question(s) bear repeating:

Where are you getting this whole "broad majority" information from? Is this some statement of fact? Where are you getting your facts from regarding what POF members think, feel, or understand. I would love to look over this information. Sounds to me like you are just making it up.

Perhaps the whole thing about me being someone who "can't read an entire sentence" was just you projecting your reading skills level? Perhaps the accusation of others obfuscating was, again, you projecting?

lol, even with the additional posts since your initial claim of what people here understand and feel, it is still not a fact. The limited "data" you use may, to you, "confirm the fact." But that does not make it a fact nor confirm it as such. Misusing the word "fact" does not make your opinion a fact.
I did no such thing as remind you of that. Once again you are wrong Edward. I think people on these forums are worth the time, that's why I read their posts and contribute when I can. kthxbye

Back to the OPSeems like Disney should be doing more. Unfortunately, hacking/glitching is a part of just about every MMO I have been part of

The thing is my friend told me that on test server is no longer using" speed program". I'm glad disney fix it. . . . i'm sure it would be next update along with cannon mini games....