LOL I sound like I'm a cat , got fixed lol, OK hey guys, yup I got rid of avg , and put Norton on this computer too, and problem solved .I had avg for about two months and it worked fine until the upgrade the other day. Once it upgraded that day I had problems, maybe if I would have waited , gone outside maybe , LOL, it would have been resolved the next update, but the Norton seemed to do the trick . Thanks again for all your help guys. I am a happy Pirate Cat again.