The Brethren Court

[Cheleszoo]

I agree with Skirata. Except I think these things need to be discussed outside of the game. First off the Filtering system is going to make real discussions difficult as they filter the silliest of stuff sometimes (oh who am i kidding, a lot of times). Also it is not always possible for every representative to be present at the meetings due to real life issues.

As soon as events were mentioned we had certain people getting really defensive and talking about cheating etc. While this is a valid concern, it is one that can be worked out if we lay out a lot of options and then work through them until a solution is found. Almost every option layed out was met with negativity from some source or another before it was even given a chance. How do we know that randomly assigning ppl to different ships isn't going to keep anyone from cheating? We haven't tried it yet. Once we do and if we find it doesn't work, then we try something else.

I do realize that some guilds that have joined this have a history of animosity and distrust. If those guilds have joined this court as a means to get at each other and continue that animosity they maybe need to just sit out. Because it sounds to me this was meant to be a guild bonding experience. I also believe that if guilds find they just cannot work together and have fun with this in the lighthearted manner it is meant to be experienced, they should back out and not ruin the fun for everyone else. If the problems stem from individual pirates, well the guild they belong to should be held accountable for their actions.

There are a lot of solutions that could be had for many of the concerns that will come up in the court. We need to try these solutions out and have patience with it until the right one is found. We don't need a bunch of ppl shouting right off that "that's not going to work" until we actually do discover that Hey, that didn't work.

[themgrind]

Originally Posted by Cheleszoo

I agree with Skirata. Except I think these things need to be discussed outside of the game. First off the Filtering system is going to make real discussions difficult as they filter the silliest of stuff sometimes (oh who am i kidding, a lot of times). Also it is not always possible for every representative to be present at the meetings due to real life issues.

As soon as events were mentioned we had certain people getting really defensive and talking about cheating etc. While this is a valid concern, it is one that can be worked out if we lay out a lot of options and then work through them until a solution is found. Almost every option layed out was met with negativity from some source or another before it was even given a chance. How do we know that randomly assigning ppl to different ships isn't going to keep anyone from cheating? We haven't tried it yet. Once we do and if we find it doesn't work, then we try something else.

I do realize that some guilds that have joined this have a history of animosity and distrust. If those guilds have joined this court as a means to get at each other and continue that animosity they maybe need to just sit out. Because it sounds to me this was meant to be a guild bonding experience. I also believe that if guilds find they just cannot work together and have fun with this in the lighthearted manner it is meant to be experienced, they should back out and not ruin the fun for everyone else. If the problems stem from individual pirates, well the guild they belong to should be held accountable for their actions.

There are a lot of solutions that could be had for many of the concerns that will come up in the court. We need to try these solutions out and have patience with it until the right one is found. We don't need a bunch of ppl shouting right off that "that's not going to work" until we actually do discover that Hey, that didn't work.

I will indeed second this ! Get those concerns out here before we go into the realm of chaos!

[Basil Dreadflint]

I know that I am not a part of this, but may I make a few suggestions?

1) Instead of trying to hold meetings in game to discuss your business, lay out your rules, etc., why don't you all use a different chat system? irc, or even Yahoo chat have the ability to hold group, or conference chat. That way, you don't have to tie up a server or worry about chat filtering. It may be a problem if some of your representatives can't or aren't allowed to use outside chat systems, but it is, afterall, just a suggestion.
2) I would heartily agree that you need to have your rules in place before you go much further. A couple of items to consider would be the processes involved in allowing new membership, and in how to remove someone if need be.
3) If one of your goals is to unite the guilds for common fun events, then you should consider a rule that everyone from a single guild be split apart. Otherwise, it will turn into a competition.
4) If you are seeking competition, then you need to consider the size of each individual guild or alliance.
5) Don't totally give up on your original concept of "Pirate Lords". (Maybe the title isn't the right one to use, Alliance Leaders, or Court Advocates, maybe?) But any group that is going to be worth anything and last does need some leadership. Whether it is elected, appointed, or just assumed.

Remember, it's just a game! Good Luck and Have fun.

[Pirate Bood]

I am Maya Mara, I took the floor last night to try to further establish some ground rules that we could all trust in to make a smoother event, and yes I found it difficult and the outcome wasnt conclusive but it raised the point of change.
Those that harbour distrust and have 'issues' with certain others may feel just in their argument and that it is with good reason that those anymosities exist. We do have a rich history of svs developing, its hard for some to put asside old issues BUT the very fact we are all there and giving these events the time of day shows that we all feel change is due, and, again as we all know change will happen regardless, it makes good sense that we are all influential in that change.
We can all sit on the old 'issues' we have with each other, we can all succumb yet again to the intimidation of accusations of cheating and glitching, and yes indeed some can be audacious enough to attempt to use them in the event, BUT we have to make a conscious effort to do our part in making a change that IS going to happen regardless of whether it is resisted or not.
If you want a clean game you have to play a clean game, if you want a drama free one you have to not enter into moments of drama, if you want to be trusted you have to make a leap of faith and show trust in others, that may start here with Roxanna and the concept of what she is trying to achieve, if you want to establish an event where these issues are left aside, even if its only for the duration of the event it has to come from each and every one of us.


That is not to say that how we arrived at our individual standings in the game should be dismissed either, each guild has its own identity and strengths those differences are very important and what makes any competetive event successful.


Thankyou Skirata and the rest of you for your attendance at the meet and event and for your comments here. I also agree with Skirata on all points made although I would like to see us all act better on trust before we offer out of game contact with each other.

Maya