Its the little things that count.

[Captain Del]

The Code - Lets think about this for a second; why do parents constantly put under fire games like Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty? Because you shoot people! You'd be surprised by the amount of parents that let kids as young as possible play games that are T, M rated, just because their kids want them! Its not so much a matter of a fail, as a matter of Disney not wanting to get sued.

Graphics - Have ya ever noticed that the better the graphics, the more adult-orientated the games get? Thats why games like Animal Crossing are rated E (hence their nice, fluffy graphics,) while games like Mass Effect are rated M. Better graphics tends to provoke realism, violence, adult themes, or all three. Besides, lets face it, its a DISNEY games. They are a "happy smile fun land!" type of company, and hardcore, complex graphics at any rate aren't up their alley.

Censors - Exactly what TheHawke said. Numbers can be used to give away anything from phone numbers, to addresses, to even an age. And we all know what that can lead to.

The scary thing is, people as old as 16, 17 are giving away their Personal Info. to people they don't know. Sure, you can trust the parents and uncensor numbers. But 99% of the time, the kids just ignore the advice their parents and teachers give them. And then what happens, when kids are getting their identities stolen (which IS a major problem with kids on the internet,) and sometimes things even worse? The company that acted as the predator's medium gets the blame. And once again, we find Disney not wanting to get sued.

Lockon - Thats understandable, and I am behind your point. But with the creation of jumping amongst pirates, I'm guessing its just to make sure that all pirates recieve the same amount of damage, so its somewhat fair.

Pathfinding - It wouldn't be that fair if pirates could just stand behind a fence, or on a ledge, and fire away grenades without getting hurt. It takes away the challenge in the game.

[Freedomna]

Originally Posted by Captain Del

The Code - Lets think about this for a second; why do parents constantly put under fire games like Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty? Because you shoot people! You'd be surprised by the amount of parents that let kids as young as possible play games that are T, M rated, just because their kids want them! Its not so much a matter of a fail, as a matter of Disney not wanting to get sued.

My respons: So you are saying its okay for a kids game to allow cutting people up, blowing them up with cannons and grenades, putting hexes on them, ect, ect, ect but its not good if they shoot people.

Graphics - Have ya ever noticed that the better the graphics, the more adult-orientated the games get? Thats why games like Animal Crossing are rated E (hence their nice, fluffy graphics,) while games like Mass Effect are rated M. Better graphics tends to provoke realism, violence, adult themes, or all three. Besides, lets face it, its a DISNEY games. They are a "happy smile fun land!" type of company, and hardcore, complex graphics at any rate aren't up their alley.

My response: So just because a game has graphics better then doom means its for adults???

Censors - Exactly what TheHawke said. Numbers can be used to give away anything from phone numbers, to addresses, to even an age. And we all know what that can lead to.

The scary thing is, people as old as 16, 17 are giving away their Personal Info. to people they don't know. Sure, you can trust the parents and uncensor numbers. But 99% of the time, the kids just ignore the advice their parents and teachers give them. And then what happens, when kids are getting their identities stolen (which IS a major problem with kids on the internet,) and sometimes things even worse? The company that acted as the predator's medium gets the blame. And once again, we find Disney not wanting to get sued.

My response: If the parents are afraid of the kids giving out the numbers, take them off open chat.

Lockon - Thats understandable, and I am behind your point. But with the creation of jumping amongst pirates, I'm guessing its just to make sure that all pirates recieve the same amount of damage, so its somewhat fair.

Pathfinding - It wouldn't be that fair if pirates could just stand behind a fence, or on a ledge, and fire away grenades without getting hurt. It takes away the challenge in the game.

My response: I am not asking the enemies to be stupid, just not be able to dodge every thing item that gets in their way.

[Swash]

Originally Posted by Captain Del

The Code - Lets think about this for a second; why do parents constantly put under fire games like Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty? Because you shoot people! You'd be surprised by the amount of parents that let kids as young as possible play games that are T, M rated, just because their kids want them! Its not so much a matter of a fail, as a matter of Disney not wanting to get sued.

Why can we shoot Skeletons and Animals in game and it be ok, but when we shoot a human enemy then the game is bad? It's the same exact concept, but different targets.

Graphics - Have ya ever noticed that the better the graphics, the more adult-orientated the games get? Thats why games like Animal Crossing are rated E (hence their nice, fluffy graphics,) while games like Mass Effect are rated M. Better graphics tends to provoke realism, violence, adult themes, or all three. Besides, lets face it, its a DISNEY games. They are a "happy smile fun land!" type of company, and hardcore, complex graphics at any rate aren't up their alley.

The better the graphics the better the game. Notice how every game you have mentioned except for Animal Crossing have a great review scores, have great replay value, and sell millions of copies. So your saying I could make a game with amazing graphics and all you do is pet kitties and it's going to be rated M, but if I make a game with horrible graphics with the same elements as GTA IV and it's going to be rated E? A lesson for you is that games are never rated by their graphics.

Censors - Exactly what TheHawke said. Numbers can be used to give away anything from phone numbers, to addresses, to even an age. And we all know what that can lead to.

The scary thing is, people as old as 16, 17 are giving away their Personal Info. to people they don't know. Sure, you can trust the parents and uncensor numbers. But 99% of the time, the kids just ignore the advice their parents and teachers give them. And then what happens, when kids are getting their identities stolen (which IS a major problem with kids on the internet,) and sometimes things even worse? The company that acted as the predator's medium gets the blame. And once again, we find Disney not wanting to get sued.

No matter what Disney does they will never get rid of people giving out Personal Info with Numbers. They would have to ban every word and phrase to get rid of numbers and we all know Disney won't do that.

Pathfinding - It wouldn't be that fair if pirates could just stand behind a fence, or on a ledge, and fire away grenades without getting hurt. It takes away the challenge in the game.

You could ask everyone on POF and ask them if they did an Invincibility glitch somewhere in the game or have used the Grenade leveling up technique in Kingshead and 90% of the time you would get the answer yes.

[ex8404]

Originally Posted by Swash

The better the graphics the better the game. Notice how every game you have mentioned except for Animal Crossing have a great review scores, have great replay value, and sell millions of copies. So your saying I could make a game with amazing graphics and all you do is pet kitties and it's going to be rated M, but if I make a game with horrible graphics with the same elements as GTA IV and it's going to be rated E? A lesson for you is that games are never rated by their graphics.

The better the graphic the better the game? Nonsense. For a while there, PS3 games were terrible. Looked great but had terrible game play.

Along comes a silly little thing like the Wii and Sony is back pedaling like crazy. To the point of copying the Wii-Mote. Wii outsold X-Box and PS3 combined. Didn't last but it forced Sony to look at game play first and graphics later.

And Animal Crossing has been getting great reviews since it was first released. IGN gave it an Outstanding. Your friends sitting around and saying "Dude, this game sux" is NOT a review.

A lesson for you is that games are never rated by their graphics

A lesson for you. Add great graphics, swords and grenades and cannons and guns and you will get an M rating. Period. There is no blood on POTCO for a reason. No one really dies for a reason. Everyone gets knocked out and everyone goes to jail and POTCO gets a 10+ even though playing poker should get it a T for teen.

If the problem with POTCO is graphics then play Modern Warfare. But if the real problem is that you don't realize that this is a kid's game then I am not sure what to say.

The truth is that POTCO is a neat idea that will NEVER be fully realized. It is a movie tie-in to a series of movies that the average movie goer has already forgotten about. Disney is a huge company and this little corner of the big picture is meaningless to Disney Executives.

I, for one, am happy to have anything at all...

[MacIronhawk]

Originally Posted by ex8404

The truth is that POTCO is a neat idea that will NEVER be fully realized. It is a movie tie-in to a series of movies that the average movie goer has already forgotten about. Disney is a huge company and this little corner of the big picture is meaningless to Disney Executives.

I, for one, am happy to have anything at all...

Eh... I give it ten to fifteen years and the game will be bringing in big bucks for Disney, and it will be a prized game for them to have.(and toontown, too.)

[Freedomna]

@EX808: As I said I am not asking for MW2 graphics but a small update is needed. I do realize this game is marketed to preteens hence why I am not asking for blood and gore.

[Swash]

Originally Posted by ex8404

The better the graphic the better the game? Nonsense. For a while there, PS3 games were terrible. Looked great but had terrible game play.

Along comes a silly little thing like the Wii and Sony is back pedaling like crazy. To the point of copying the Wii-Mote. Wii outsold X-Box and PS3 combined. Didn't last but it forced Sony to look at game play first and graphics later.

And Animal Crossing has been getting great reviews since it was first released. IGN gave it an Outstanding. Your friends sitting around and saying "Dude, this game sux" is NOT a review.



A lesson for you. Add great graphics, swords and grenades and cannons and guns and you will get an M rating. Period. There is no blood on POTCO for a reason. No one really dies for a reason. Everyone gets knocked out and everyone goes to jail and POTCO gets a 10+ even though playing poker should get it a T for teen.

If the problem with POTCO is graphics then play Modern Warfare. But if the real problem is that you don't realize that this is a kid's game then I am not sure what to say.

The truth is that POTCO is a neat idea that will NEVER be fully realized. It is a movie tie-in to a series of movies that the average movie goer has already forgotten about. Disney is a huge company and this little corner of the big picture is meaningless to Disney Executives.

I, for one, am happy to have anything at all...

You fail to realize that I said nothing about adding in swords in guns. You quoted me on games not being rated on graphics and took it upon yourself to add something in so you could be right. Games are not rated on JUST their graphics.

Secondly the Wii outsold the Xbox and PS3 because it was a family oriented system. Unlike the PS3 and the Xbox it is far from being a console for real gamers, Call of Duty is like the only game for real gamers on there. And also I think the WII has great graphics, but un-realistic. And also notice how the Game of the Year last year was a PS3 game and critics are saying that the Game of 2010 is an Xbox game.

Lastly, I back up my argument of Disney having no excuse for taking so long on content with another example. Fallout 3 on PC was a great game and the Developers released an editing pack for it. Turns out the average person took maybe 5 hours from their day and made content better than the people who were PAYED to MAKE the game.

[ex8404]

Originally Posted by Swash

You fail to realize that I said nothing about adding in swords in guns. You quoted me on games not being rated on graphics and took it upon yourself to add something in so you could be right. Games are not rated on JUST their graphics.

Never said they were. I merely added to the conversation by pointing out that better graphics means more realistic depictions of violence. And you cannot deny the existence of "swords in (and?) guns" in this game. Therefore, to say that better graphics won't lead to better looking weapons and, as a result, better kill shots is just wrong. Because if you give a mouse better graphics, he's going to want blood.

Originally Posted by Swash

the Wii outsold the Xbox and PS3 because it was a family oriented system. Unlike the PS3 and the Xbox it is far from being a console for real gamers, Call of Duty is like the only game for real gamers on there. And also I think the WII has great graphics, but un-realistic. And also notice how the Game of the Year last year was a PS3 game and critics are saying that the Game of 2010 is an Xbox game.

Thank you for making my point although I would argue that the Wii was just more fun in terms of gameplay. However, like the Wii, POTCO is family oriented. And it is the ONLY reason POTCO works. Period. Since you are in charge of deciding what constitutes games and consoles for real gamers, please tell me where POTCO fits in. In my opinion, POTCO is for casual gamers and to try and hang "real gamer" attributes to it is just plain silly.

You are comparing Disney with companies whose only purpose is to make video games. For machines that exist only to play those video games. They all have the same abilities. Your X-Box is just like my X-Box and My PS3 is just like your PS3. It is easier to hit a target that isn't moving. My PC is NOTHING like your PC. How do the developers deal with this? By marketing something for the lowest common denominator.

POTCO is, first and foremost, an advertising gimmick. And Disney is WAY too big to care about it much. I guarantee, the day POTCO loses a single dime, it gets shut down forever.

This is about as "real gamer" (what does that even mean?) of a game as Farmville is. It just happens to appeal to a lot of people. Leave it alone. It works as it is.

Originally Posted by Swash

, I back up my argument of Disney having no excuse for taking so long on content with another example. Fallout 3 on PC was a great game and the Developers released an editing pack for it. Turns out the average person took maybe 5 hours from their day and made content better than the people who were PAYED to MAKE the game.

We agree on the intent if not the tone here. Disney has been WAY too slow in turning out content. But if Fallout 3 can be improved in 5 hours by some random Joe (who I can only assume was a "real gamer") who wasn't even PAID to do the job, then Fallout 3 must have been really, really bad.

[Benjamin Prowash]

I think numbers should be uncensored. It's just annoying to try telling someone I need to sink a certain amount of ships, and I can just do some others ways to tell someone my age. A favorite I've heard? " I'm a dozen minus won " Or problems among those lines. Stop censoring numbers, and our lives get easier as simple as won, too, tree, for, hive, sticks, sven!

[MacIronhawk]

Originally Posted by Swash

Lastly, I back up my argument of Disney having no excuse for taking so long on content with another example.

The reason all the new content is taking so long is because POTCO was released before POTBS so that POTCO could make more money. Whether that's helped them or not is beyond me, but changing islands, caves, and the inventory system should have been done during beta.

Their only other excuse is that their developing staff is less than 20 people.

[ex8404]

Originally Posted by MacIronhawk

The reason all the new content is taking so long is because POTCO was released before POTBS so that POTCO could make more money. Whether that's helped them or not is beyond me, but changing islands, caves, and the inventory system should have been done during beta.

Their only other excuse is that their developing staff is less than 20 people.

Not being contentious here or looking for an argument but just how has this little factoid become part of the POTCO lore?

Is it fact or conjecture? Truth is, for a while there I couldn't turn on my TV without seeing an ad for POTCO. I had never even heard of POTBS until I started posting here.

I would love to know the truth behind this and where it comes from.

[MacIronhawk]

Originally Posted by ex8404

Not being contentious here or looking for an argument but just how has this little factoid become part of the POTCO lore?

Is it fact or conjecture? Truth is, for a while there I couldn't turn on my TV without seeing an ad for POTCO. I had never even heard of POTBS until I started posting here.

I would love to know the truth behind this and where it comes from.

Sorry, I don't understand the first question.

I believe i'm one of the few people here... or maybe not, that was looking at POTBS and POTCO when they were both beginning. I wanted to see what game looked more fun. And then I started noticing a lot of talk on different forums, particulary POTBS forums, about which game would release first. Many people agreed POTCO would be released first, simply because Disney would think the game would make more money if they released before another pirates online game.

Whether the game was actually released just to be before POTBS or not remains to be seen. However, it would certainly make sense, considering the game has been redone in many areas(islands, inventory, caves) more than in any other game I've played.

Toontown hardly did any redoing once it was released. Changed fishing a bit, toontowncentral, and took out the merry-go-round in minnies melodyland.

Now, POTCO has redone 3 islands, ALL of the caves, and now redoing the inventory system. The new inventory system is certainly more user friendly, other than the fact that not all of our weapons will be at our disposal any time we want. What with the equpping you need to do.

Ok, I've been going on a bit too long. Anyways. if Disney actually cared about this game and its' content, these things would have been changed during beta. Simply put, it looks to me like they decided they need to release the game either in time to beat POTBS or in time with the second pirates movie.

EDIT: I agree with Swash's last post. I honestly wouldn't be posting this if the second story quest was out. I'd be in the game. But instead, I'm here hoping that the developers are reading our opinions. I'm bored of the game. Weapon griding is the majority of the game, and anytime I go on now it's for invasions and EITC fleets. Especially when I get to fight the "enemy" with the crew.

I just want to be playing a game where I feel like I'm accomplishing something. Without a story line I'm lost.

[Nate Swordwalker]

Originally Posted by MacIronhawk

Without a story line I'm lost.

I TOTALLY agree with you. The game has been starting to bore me, and it has taken control of me before. I stopped about a year after i had joined a week after the game came out. The game needs a new story line, because my two major pirates finished their BP Quest before they were lvl 28. The bbs are too easy and need some changing around. Most of the pirates these days are oldies and need some new stuff to mess around with.

[Johnny Storm]

Originally Posted by Captain Del

The Code - Lets think about this for a second; why do parents constantly put under fire games like Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty? Because you shoot people! You'd be surprised by the amount of parents that let kids as young as possible play games that are T, M rated, just because their kids want them! Its not so much a matter of a fail, as a matter of Disney not wanting to get sued.

Graphics - Have ya ever noticed that the better the graphics, the more adult-orientated the games get? Thats why games like Animal Crossing are rated E (hence their nice, fluffy graphics,) while games like Mass Effect are rated M. Better graphics tends to provoke realism, violence, adult themes, or all three. Besides, lets face it, its a DISNEY games. They are a "happy smile fun land!" type of company, and hardcore, complex graphics at any rate aren't up their alley.

Censors - Exactly what TheHawke said. Numbers can be used to give away anything from phone numbers, to addresses, to even an age. And we all know what that can lead to.

The scary thing is, people as old as 16, 17 are giving away their Personal Info. to people they don't know. Sure, you can trust the parents and uncensor numbers. But 99% of the time, the kids just ignore the advice their parents and teachers give them. And then what happens, when kids are getting their identities stolen (which IS a major problem with kids on the internet,) and sometimes things even worse? The company that acted as the predator's medium gets the blame. And once again, we find Disney not wanting to get sued.

Lockon - Thats understandable, and I am behind your point. But with the creation of jumping amongst pirates, I'm guessing its just to make sure that all pirates recieve the same amount of damage, so its somewhat fair.

Pathfinding - It wouldn't be that fair if pirates could just stand behind a fence, or on a ledge, and fire away grenades without getting hurt. It takes away the challenge in the game.

I do think that they could do more with the graphics, games such as super mario galaxy or sonic unleased are made for everyone to play and they have great graphics that do not promote violence or realism. Higher quality graphics would be great also along with bug fixes that seem to cause the game lag to many many players. I do agree that Disney is a company that does not want to get sued, which is why they do not let us shoot other human enemies. On the note of their censorship they do this to make the game safe for younger players, although the number blocks tend to get bothersome due to the fact that it makes it hard to tell other players how many more enemies you have to kill. I mostly agree with you Del but I defidently think this game needs higher quality graphics along with bug fixes for the lag. Disney is a huge company and if they invest more into this game it can mean a major rise in memberships which will mean more money for them.

[Nate Swordwalker]

Originally Posted by Johnny Storm

I do think that they could do more with the graphics, games such as super mario galaxy or sonic unleased are made for everyone to play and they have great graphics that do not promote violence or realism. Higher quality graphics would be great also along with bug fixes that seem to cause the game lag to many many players. I do agree that Disney is a company that does not want to get sued, which is why they do not let us shoot other human enemies. On the note of their censorship they do this to make the game safe for younger players, although the number blocks tend to get bothersome due to the fact that it makes it hard to tell other players how many more enemies you have to kill. I mostly agree with you Del but I defidently think this game needs higher quality graphics along with bug fixes for the lag. Disney is a huge company and if they invest more into this game it can mean a major rise in memberships which will mean more money for them.

Good points Johnny.