Chat System Anomalies - Disecting the flaws.

[Edward Edgemenace]

Originally Posted by Captain Sureshot

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You know EE, while that may be your assumption (not getting a response so the player/community is rude) it might not be so safe to assume that it is also everyone else's assumption...

It is not my assumption. Your implication that I assumed anything of the sort, is insulting. I'll assume that was not your intent.

The impetus for all of this, was someone thinking I did not respond to their question. The fact that their question(s) never went through, was lost on them. Within this game, similar scenarios play out daily for me - but I'm one of the few people (probably less than 5% of people playing) that notice what's happening.

For example, if I am in a conversation with someone and they seem to just stop responding, I assume they went AFK, found themselves busy with something else, or (more recently) maybe there is something buggy with POTCO lol. I am not offended and I don't categorize them as rude for something they apparently did not say. The only time I would ever consider someone rude for not responding is if they were like you, someone who is familiar with chat system anomalies and considers a non-response rude.

Based on your bad assumption that my third person statement was somehow a first-person comment, your ire is misdirected.

In real life, in a face to face conversation a non-reply could be construed as rude, in-game there are too many other possibilities for me to jump to such a negative conclusion.

That's fine for you, but the broad majority of players in this game, in fact, do assume they are being ignored. Particularly true, when the person is right in front of them, fighting their enemy (for example.) In every way, the chat is meant to imitate normal human communication as best as possible. How often, does "silence denote consent?"

For myself, the only time I assume anything about in-game communication, is when I already know the person I'm talking to, very well. With crew matching, lookouts, public boarding and invasions, I estimate less than half my in-game communication is with someone I know well. Maybe you only interact with a small closed group of people, but most people in this game, do not.

With each example above, more light is shed on just how absurdly extensive the "black list" filter is. For most of the isolated words and phrases, it is not clear at all, what the black list is even trying to prevent.

Again, if Disney were to indicate to EITHER the sender or the listeners (or both) that the chat line did not go through, this thread would be moot. Since Disney does not give any such indication, most people are left to assume the worst.

Originally Posted by Nate Swordwalker

That's because what you should say is " I could use another gunner. "

I seriously doubt their intent is to promote proper grammar.

"Swift Foot II drank" ORLY?

"Sink 5 Navy Predator ships" ORLY?

If they are going to begin giving grammar lessons, perhaps they ought to hit the books themselves, first. A thread to catalog the game's bad grammar, would be a hundred times longer than this.

At any rate, "You can use my ship." does not go through, today.

[Captain Sureshot]

Originally Posted by Edward Edgemenace

It is not my assumption. Your implication that I assumed anything of the sort, is insulting. I'll assume that was not your intent.

no no no EE, not at all trying to insult you. No ire, either.

That's fine for you, but the broad majority of players in this game, in fact, do assume they are being ignored.

My apologies again for assuming that you were assuming how other players react in situations. I didn't want to assume that you were making an assumption, lol, but I couldn't find this information after an extensive web search. Where did you get this fact from?

Thanks again for all the time and effort you have put into this and all the other contributions you make.

[Captain Sureshot]

Originally Posted by Edward Edgemenace

...the broad majority of players in this game, in fact, do assume they are being ignored.

Where did you get this fact? Or is it an assumption on your part?

[Edward Edgemenace]

Originally Posted by Captain Sureshot

Where did you get this fact? Or is it an assumption on your part?

It is no assumption: 100% of the time chat filter has been an issue resulting in a dispute within numerous large guilds, the person filtered was offended at being ignored and said so. This is not merely dozens of times, but over a hundred times in my indirect experience. Try being an officer and mediating situations; you will find this chat filter being partly responsible almost every time.

I don't know why you would insist on your repetitious implication of the opposite. Since you have said you use other communication, you obviously can't appreciate just how frequent this is, for normal players in this game. I am assuming, based on your militant insistence, that the entire guild you are in uses some external communication method. So in-game chat anomalies do not affect you nor your guild, at all. Talking (chit-chat) as you type, it is very clear when something doesn't go through. You know within 3 to 5 seconds from the time you press "Enter."

But for normal people playing the game, it is very different. Without any knowledge of the server-side filter, the most natural human assumption is that the message did go through (because the game indicates that it was sent successfully) when in fact, it did not. Every dispute I've mediated where this chat filter was an issue, people have said that they were being ignored. Not some, not most, not merely dozens: every one.

[Captain Sureshot]

lol EE, it took a month and a half for that?!! And you still can't give me a source for your "fact" that "the broad majority of players in this game, in fact, do assume they are being ignored." I want a source for your fact. Empirical data of the POTCO playing broad majority and their assumptions. Something from when you first posted your "in fact" statement. Waiting. Yawn.

Originally Posted by Edward Edgemenace

It is no assumption: 100% of the time chat filter has been an issue resulting in a dispute within numerous large guilds, the person filtered was offended at being ignored and said so. This is not merely dozens of times, but over a hundred times in my indirect experience. Try being an officer and mediating situations; you will find this chat filter being partly responsible almost every time.

I don't know why you would insist on your repetitious implication of the opposite. Since you have said you use other communication, you obviously can't appreciate just how frequent this is, for normal players in this game. I am assuming, based on your militant insistence, that the entire guild you are in uses some external communication method. So in-game chat anomalies do not affect you nor your guild, at all. Talking (chit-chat) as you type, it is very clear when something doesn't go through. You know within 3 to 5 seconds from the time you press "Enter."

But for normal people playing the game, it is very different. Without any knowledge of the server-side filter, the most natural human assumption is that the message did go through (because the game indicates that it was sent successfully) when in fact, it did not. Every dispute I've mediated where this chat filter was an issue, people have said that they were being ignored. Not some, not most, not merely dozens: every one.

"...over a hundred times in my indirect experience"!?! well, there's irrefutable empirical data on the broad majority if I've ever seen any /sarcasm LOL