The Ironrat Cup

[Dr. Zeppers]

Originally Posted by Edward Edgemenace

My test runs in a light sloop and in a light galleon were 22:11 and 23:11. I know the last time I measured them for speed, light galleon was slower than either a galleon or a war galleon. So I don't understand why you were so slow. Stopping to smell the roses? :-)

One major reason.
16 cargo vs 3 cargo One lucky shot with a light sloop and you dont have to worry about cargo ever, and you have the faster ship.

I had to go off course occasionally, although not far to finish off a ship I did battle with. The War Galleon is also a bit slower.

Personally, I think that if you took a light sloop (fastest ship and holds least), and only beat me (slowest ship holding most cargo) by 5 minutes, you must have stopped for some rum along the way!!!!

I may have been able to skirt islands faster, im not sure how much 'hitting' the shore slows you down. I know it does using ramming speed, and full sail, but I wasnt using those obviously.

Originally Posted by Edward Edgemenace

The crew thing is probably going to be important. I had a friend come to me during the second run and shoot the colossus flag - and grapple - and board it! Had to just start that time-test over. One or two officials for every 6 to 10 racers...if we have a lot more participants than that, we can have separate heats.

Crews are allowed, but not allowed to man a cannon, therefore I dont see any purpose for a crew. Friends TP'ing to you while your sailing could be a problem, part of testing the "captains" abilities, so we'll just have to deal with it I think.

Originally Posted by Edward Edgemenace

I wonder if you should add the rule that you are not allowed to shoot at flag ships at all, during this race? Boarding a flagship is a least a minute off your time. NOT boarding it would put you in the invisible sailing glitch. Actually, I'm not sure what we can say about this. You can't use full sail or ramming speed to get clear of a Spanish blood scourge...maybe the best option IS to board it? ---ponders the quandary---

If one ship is DQ/incapacitated by the sentinel flagship, one ship for the colossus flag, one for the kingsfisher flag, one for the French blood scourge, one for the Spanish shadow crow, Spanish blood scourge, Spanish cerberus, corvette, man-o-war then only 9 ships will be out of the race. (Only 6 boats racing?)

Well, OK, let's not get silly. Hitting a flagship with a volley isn't so bad - if you keep running. Crippling it is a problem. But there will be enough witnesses screaming bloody murder, if someone tries to glitch off a flagship (obvious disqualification) so anyone unlucky enough to cripple a flagship will have to go back and board it. Maybe give a one minute bonus if you board a flagship? (maximum bonus = 1 minute.) You'd have to call for an official, to board with you, of course. Or maybe just credit the time from when they call out "Flagship boarding - HELP!" to the time when the official is back on their boat after a successful boarding and hears the sails unfurl. (A corvette takes ten seconds - a colossus can take several minutes. And they may need to turn their boat back around or come back from jail.)

How you deal with this is really up to the individual captain as I see it. Personally I would consider it a detriment my race to encounter any flagships that require any of my time, and glitching would just make that even more an issue.

Last night me and my guildies boarded a barracuda, one of the mercs on board ran off half way to Port Royal (from Perdida). We couldnt get him back on board to finish the ship, I even glitched off the ship, but couldnt attack him as I was in the water. I was stuck there until I logged out.... I think I would avoid flagships period.

Regarding Glitching a flagship.
If I compete against you, please by all means take the time to glitch.
By doing so you are:

A. Taking the time to attack/defeat a ship that you will get NO cargo from
B. You will have to now chase every ship you want to sink.

The more opportunities I have to catch, pass, and/or pull away from my opponents. the better.

Originally Posted by mlratto

First of all thanks to those who have taken an interest in this race and done a few test run. Wise pirate ye be.

I did me a dry run in my war galleon

you are a brave pirate! I'm thinking that's going to be the toughest ship class to race given the speed, huge target and huge cargo capacity.

Was fun to try out, but I dont think I will hava a chance to compete.

[Edward Edgemenace]

Originally Posted by OFxZeppers

One major reason.
16 cargo vs 3 cargo One lucky shot with a light sloop and you dont have to worry about cargo ever, and you have the faster ship.

I had to go off course occasionally, although not far to finish off a ship I did battle with. The War Galleon is also a bit slower.

Personally, I think that if you took a light sloop (fastest ship and holds least), and only beat me (slowest ship holding most cargo) by 5 minutes, you must have stopped for some rum along the way!!!!

<hiccup> wat sher mean thar, matey! 'Jes helpin' me mate Gunner...

I may have been able to skirt islands faster, im not sure how much 'hitting' the shore slows you down. I know it does using ramming speed, and full sail, but I wasnt using those obviously.

While I learned to let others finish off Navy for me, in my light sloop, I all but forgot about it, once I had a war galleon. The astonishing number of guns on a war galleon ensure that only really big tough targets can ever survive more than one of my broadsides. YMMV. With all the juicy targets near PDF, I wouldn't go out of my way.

Crews are allowed, but not allowed to man a cannon, therefore I dont see any purpose for a crew. Friends TP'ing to you while your sailing could be a problem, part of testing the "captains" abilities, so we'll just have to deal with it I think.

I meant, being in a crew (so that friends have a harder time TPing to you) is an important factor. <shrug> Using the crew system to prevent that kind of nonsense is a great idea - bravo Ironrat. But that does mean that anyone in the race has to be in the racing crew (therefore can't have their own.) Everyone gets to see the launch messages and they are able to communicate with the other players and offical(s).

How you deal with this is really up to the individual captain as I see it. Personally I would consider it a detriment my race to encounter any flagships that require any of my time, and glitching would just make that even more an issue.

Last night me and my guildies boarded a barracuda, one of the mercs on board ran off half way to Port Royal (from Perdida). We couldnt get him back on board to finish the ship, I even glitched off the ship, but couldnt attack him as I was in the water. I was stuck there until I logged out.... I think I would avoid flagships period.

Regarding Glitching a flagship.
If I compete against you, please by all means take the time to glitch.
By doing so you are:

A. Taking the time to attack/defeat a ship that you will get NO cargo from
B. You will have to now chase every ship you want to sink.

The more opportunities I have to catch, pass, and/or pull away from my opponents. the better.

Sigh. Excellent points. So instead of calling foul, we just sit back and laugh at them? Sounds like a plan!

Was fun to try out, but I dont think I will hava a chance to compete.

:-(

One last question then: is it OK to glitch through Cuba and/or Port Royal? If someone is inside an island, it is really hard to see if they hit full sail.

[Dr. Zeppers]

Originally Posted by Edward Edgemenace

One last question then: is it OK to glitch through Cuba and/or Port Royal? If someone is inside an island, it is really hard to see if they hit full sail.

I think you guys already raced or whatever but to this.. i'd have to step back a second.

I know how to glitch through an island, but the steps it takes would again take longer than any amount of time I might have saved.



As far as the reference to going out of my way... When i said I had to veer off course etc.. even in a war galleon you would not be able to sink any ship around PDF by a simple broadside as you pass heading to PDF. I never left course, I steered left and/or right momentarily to throw a finishing broadside at a ship.

I didnt go more than 2 boat lengths off a straight course EVER in my entire run.

[swashbuckler II]

zep wanna join us were doing another race
in 9 min
Ok second race results
Max wins. (barly)
I came in second (again barly)
Sven in 3rd
And savvy Sank

[Edward Edgemenace]

Originally Posted by OFxZeppers

I think you guys already raced or whatever but to this.. i'd have to step back a second.

I know how to glitch through an island, but the steps it takes would again take longer than any amount of time I might have saved.

lol - I did time it as a practice run - almost exactly the same. I asked before the race started and someone said no glitch, so I didn't bother. Probably would have lost if I had tried.