A word about "rep-stealing"...

[ex8404]

Originally Posted by Swash

There is no Rep stealing. Everyone pays for the game so how can someone steal something that is free to everyone. It's like me going up to someone, and breathing and then them saying "YOU'RE STEALING MY AIR".

Not Really. Every bullet, every grenade, every throwing knife I use is an investment in Rep. There is also my time and the fact that, 9 times out of 10, the rep stealer will also be asking for a Revive at some point.

Seriously. When I am engaged with a bad guy and there are three or four more like it standing around, why are you attacking mine? How lazy can a pirate be?

ON A SIDE NOTE: The rudeness is something that is generally pretty new. It happened on occasion but it wasn't quit as widespread as it is now. There is NO reason for a high level pirate to be in Fort Charles and certainly not swiping away at gray enemies. For what? 1-3 rep points? Go to Tormenta and leave Fort Charles to the Noobs. It was meant to be their's anyway.

[MacIronhawk]

Originally Posted by ex8404

There is also my time and the fact that, 9 times out of 10, the rep stealer will also be asking for a Revive at some point.

Go to Tormenta and leave Fort Charles to the Noobs. It was meant to be their's anyway.

Really? Because 4/5 times the person will be a higher level than me.

And, if Fort Charles was meant for lower level players, why is it that at level 35 you can still get, "Defeat five grunts" quests?

And, I agree with Swash, there isn't really rep stealing. Of course, breathing air isn't really a good example, IMO. In fact, there's not really a good example to say it's not rep stealing anyways.

We all pay for the game, and rep is imaginary. What's it like to lose, say, ten rep because someone else came to fight your enemy? All you have to do is say, "Hey, can you join my crew or fight a different enemy?" Odds are this "rep stealer" is going to join your crew, because there's more rep! When I was a noob and I was considered a "rep stealer" people would always ask to join their crew for more rep and I thought, "Woot! This is great!". Did I know I was actually annoying them before giving them extra rep because I was part of their crew? Heck no.

This is just my opinion, but I don't see it as rep stealing. I see it as rep sharing. Sure, that's a funny term for it, but if there's really "rep stealing" going on, it's by your choice, most of the time. Because when people come to fight my enemies, 9/10 times asking them to join my crew works.(85% of statistics are false, if you really want to believe me, ok, but going out into the game and counting the times people will join your crew is better.)

I personally don't mind people fighting my enemies. They join my crew or I join there's and I'm happy.

P.S. When the new inventory system hits live I bet there will be new, even worse stealers out there. The "loot stealers!".

[ex8404]

Originally Posted by MacIronhawk

And, if Fort Charles was meant for lower level players, why is it that at level 35 you can still get, "Defeat five grunts" quests?

If I am Level 35 and I need five grunts, I am heading to Padres. I would NEVER do it at Fort Charles.

[magicmarbels]

Players just won't give up about rep stealing,as offensive as it is from my previous posts. Why not just petition POTCO about the rules.See if they will change them that way they can suspend us from the game. That way you can have the servers all to yourself. Personally i am not a rep stealer.I pay for the game and until there are rules that say we have to be asked to play in a particular area i and many others will continue to do so.

[Countainer7b]

i think the only place we can get rid of rep steeting is padres where low lvl ppl have no bisness being there so just ask them why they are where thay can't kill anything on there own there exept one scorpian thats lvl 2-5 that shouldn't be there. the easyest way to get rid of them is keep them off padres.

[william kid]

We do all pay for the game and agreed you don't have a right to your own bad guys. My ship example is more a irratation then anything but I will stand by my Kingshead one. If you have taken the time to search out a quite server and are working on leveling on the parade group it is rude to start messing with what you are doing. Anybody else doing the same is probably there to level also and by doing so will cut yours (and their) rep to nothing, to the point that you will not get crew bonus even if they join your group. SO is it "rep stealing" I guess not, but they have stopped you from doing something you are trying to do-If you pay for a movie and I sit near ya and talk to the point you can't hear your gonna get upset even though I paid to watch the movie also- So is it rude, yep, so call it what ya like but be thoughtful of the way your game play effects others

[JM Ohara]

A note, au contraire, we do NOT all pay. Basic access members do not pay, but they do rep steal. If a basic player attacks the enemy of an unlimited then they are taking rep away from someone who did in fact pay for it, hence there is rep stealing.

[Edward Edgemenace]

Originally Posted by TheHawke

A note, au contraire, we do NOT all pay. Basic access members do not pay, but they do rep steal. If a basic player attacks the enemy of an unlimited then they are taking rep away from someone who did in fact pay for it, hence there is rep stealing.

Rep stealing is when you are prevented from earning the rep you expect to from mobs you have found and set up. For example, if you find a quiet server with an unused Kingshead field, call the 7 over so that you can smoke them for decent rep, it is rep stealing if someone comes along and takes "your" mob out with 1 shot of flaming skull. Who does Disney penalize for that rep stealing? The rude high level player stealing the rep, or you, who now have to spend 7 to 30 minutes finding a new server?

It is blinding ignorance to claim that basic members even *can* steal rep. The damage point from their weapons is at BEST insignificant.

[JM Ohara]

Originally Posted by Edward Edgemenace

Rep stealing is when you are prevented from earning the rep you expect to from mobs you have found and set up. For example, if you find a quiet server with an unused Kingshead field, call the 7 over so that you can smoke them for decent rep, it is rep stealing if someone comes along and takes "your" mob out with 1 shot of flaming skull. Who does Disney penalize for that rep stealing? The rude high level player stealing the rep, or you, who now have to spend 7 to 30 minutes finding a new server?

It is blinding ignorance to claim that basic members even *can* steal rep. The damage point from their weapons is at BEST insignificant.

If I'm staffing it nading or with my staff at KH, and I've been there a while, an someone comes to me and ASKS (have not yet ever been asked) if we can take turns or something I would be the first to say go ahead, knock yourself out. Same thing when I'm working the thralls in menta. I don't mind at all having other people in the pool, and will even crew with you, but what's wrong with wanting to level on my own guys?

Why am I so adamant about rep stealing and wanting to take out my own guys?

Could it be the time I was at Kingshead staffing it to level my staff when the guys were still red, and a whole crew came to just flaming skull them from me? When I said we can take turns they said sure, then when it was my turn again they did the same thing? (BTW all members of the same guild not one of them said maybe we shouldn't.)

Could it be because of the players (and this happened more than once) who random tp to me then start killing everything I touch? Though in that case I'm gonna tp away an unfriend you so fast your head will spin.

Maybe it was last week, when I was fighting in the thrall pool minding my own with my crew. Another guy comes, takes on one of our guys. I asked him to stop, so he very politely went to the other side by the waterfall and wacked away. No harm no problem. He brought a crew for the waterfall side. Still not a big deal as while they would come to the bigger pool they were not touching the guys we were fighting. No harm done. Till his buddy comes and starts rep stealing off my crew, despite his friend right there. To the point that even the second crew was calling him out. (Oh and dude was from the same exact guild as the guys on Kings. Without fail every time I run into one perticular guild they rep steal from me then laugh in my face. I've learned if I see them it's best to leave the server, they ain't worth the fight. But does it make their actions right? Not a chance.)

If people come start rep stealing from me, are asked not to and stop, then yeah, I'm likely to invite you to a crew to get extra rep. In fact I tried to crew the first guy in the thrall pool but he had a crew already. On big guys we can take turns, I'll heal you you heal me. I don't mind at all. It's the random people who do this then laugh at you that I mind big time.

Why are some people willing to share nicely and take turns, while others are just plain rude enough to do things they know not to and laugh at you for it. (Unrelated example, about 2 weeks ago a basic low level started shooting me when I had just logged in, and by default been dropped on a semi busy server. I asked him if he knew it was considered rude. He looked at me, without shooting a second, said, yeah, that's why it's fun, and shot me again. My response was simply, oh, a rude pirate, and I tpd to my regular server.) The point being this dude fully admitted he knew he was rude but found it funny. THOSE are the people I have a problem with. Those are the ones who will come find you on quiet servers just to mess with you. Inevitably those are the ones who find me. That's just my cursed black luck, oh well. If you're being polite I will share, I will crew with you, I will fight with you, no problem. If I see you more than once, and we crew or fight together you might even get a friend request from me. I do NOT tolerate jerks for fun. And that was my whole point.

[Sven Osymthe]

P.S. When the new inventory system hits live I bet there will be new, even worse stealers out there. The "loot stealers!".

It doesn't even need to leave test for that

Really? Because 4/5 times the person will be a higher level than me.

And, if Fort Charles was meant for lower level players, why is it that at level 35 you can still get, "Defeat five grunts" quests?

The first part of the quote goes to show that experiences differ a lot. When I am on a pirate that is level 19 and down, the "rep stealer" is 4/5 times a lower level, and 1/5 of the time a higher level. When I switch to a pirate that's in the 20's, the "rep stealer" is 3/5 times a higher level pirate in the 20's (with a skull face tattoo 4/5 times.. don't get that part either), and 2/5 times a lower level.

Sorry if I am wrong, but if that quest is not exclusive to Fort Charles, then there's no reason they should be taking rep from little pirates. I know that on Padres (which a level 35 should have access to) if you go in Beckett's Quarry, at the entrance there are 3 grunts, only a few steps away. The player can 9/10 times get there faster than going all the way to the back of Fort Charles. They still have a right to go there, but they should also realize, doing this to "younger" (in the sense that they are new to the game) players may make them think that it's acceptable to do, in the eyes of everyone else.


A lot of us do pay for this game, and a lot of us play the game for free. But if another player is ruining our experience for us, we have as much a right to say something to them (not to harass, but to inform them of what they're doing), just as much as we do to step away.

[Sarah]

P.S. When the new inventory system hits live I bet there will be new, even worse stealers out there. The "loot stealers!".

Actually, the way it's set up, if there is a drop from a kill, everyone who got in a strike gets their own loot. You can't take another pirate's drop. Nice

[seafox]

A note, au contraire, we do NOT all pay. Basic access members do not pay, but they do rep steal. If a basic player attacks the enemy of an unlimited then they are taking rep away from someone who did in fact pay for it, hence there is rep stealing

Disney gives peeps the free access...there is still no stealing...its a term we use when something we value is lost to us...but as its allowed by the owner of the whole shebang,,,I still stand on that...that its not stealing and we shouldn't have our expectations of others "manners" in a free- for- all type game, to a fever pitch....thats my final word as my posts explain meself , I hope......

Carry on if ye will, this thread, as I believe new players seeking advice will read your contributions and gain a wide viewpoint and, perhaps, act accordingly...as well as lead to tolerance by those who have gained the most....Thank you.

[ex8404]

Originally Posted by seafox

...there is still no stealing...its a term we use when something we value is lost to us...but as its allowed by the owner of the whole shebang,,,I still stand on that...that its not stealing and we shouldn't have our expectations of others "manners" in a free- for- all type game, to a fever pitch....thats my final word as my posts explain meself , I hope......

Carry on if ye will, this thread, as I believe new players seeking advice will read your contributions and gain a wide viewpoint and, perhaps, act accordingly...as well as lead to tolerance by those who have gained the most....Thank you.

OK. Rep Stealing causes a lot of hang-ups but it is not the legal definition of Stealing that is meant here.

"Rep Stealing" is more about actions and behaviors and a total lack of home training and manners and the emboldened actions of the anonymous Internet game player. Calling it "Rep Stealing" is just easier than calling it "Rep Reducing" or "Rep Stop Acting Like A Rude Little Pratt And Go Work On Your Own Bad Guys."

It may not be stealing but it IS, in certain situations, downright rude.

And I have to disagree that POTCO is a free-for-all type of game. It isn't.

[william kid]

Originally Posted by ex8404

"Rep Stop Acting Like A Rude Little Pratt And Go Work On Your Own Bad Guys."

LOL sorry you made me laugh with that one just had to say thanks
needed that

[Sven Niscadae]

I know I'm in the minority here but I'm still inclined that there is no rep stealing. You earn the rep you worked for, whether you did 100% or 50% or 0%. You get less rep if someone comes over and helps you, sure - understood. Yeah, you were working on that mob the way you wanted to and now you have to kill another one to make up for the time lost. Yeah I can understand that it does stink to have to kill another one.

POTCO's rep is still the most backwards experience system I've ever seen in an mmo. If you want to work on leveling up, you cannot use your more powerful skills to take down an enemy. Instead you have to whack at it with the same hit or combo if you're inclined since it's been shown that more hits = more rep. It still doesn't make sense that I can gain the full cap on a level 1 sand crab. Most other games, you gain experience determined by your level versus the mobs' sometimes divided by the number of people in your group. I suppose the crew bonus is meant to make up for the the weird rep earnings. What's more wack is that upgrading your weapons or skills is actually a detriment to your rep earning power since you would then do more damage/less hits.

It could be worse. Way back when in another game, the last shot got ALL of the experience points (i.e. kill stealing). It may be better for Disney to incorporate a system where the first hit locks the mob and its rep to you or your crew. You'd still get less rep if someone intervenes but at least they wouldn't get any. That idea may curve away from child-friendly by their standards though. Just an idea to throw around.