"Jumping" in PvP

[swashbuckler II]

if both do it, its kinda hard to aim

[akamystic]

Stick to the code......fight like a real Pirate! Could you imagine seeing Pirates jumping and bouncing all over the place in a real fight? In fact...I don't recall seeing that in the POTC movies either. Draw your Cutlass or Dagger and fight....face to face.

[Bartholomew Foulsteel]

Originally Posted by akamystic

Stick to the code......fight like a real Pirate! Could you imagine seeing Pirates jumping and bouncing all over the place in a real fight? In fact...I don't recall seeing that in the POTC movies either. Draw your Cutlass or Dagger and fight....face to face.

Well, when I recall Jack Sparrow (not a real pirate, but certainly appropriate example for a POTCO issue) in the first movie, he held a woman hostage, using her for a shield, swung around on a rope, hid behind a statue, and won by cheating against Will Turner ("Pirate").

Seems like bouncing is appropriate.

[akamystic]

Originally Posted by Bartholomew Foulsteel

Well, when I recall Jack Sparrow (not a real pirate, but certainly appropriate example for a POTCO issue) in the first movie, he held a woman hostage, using her for a shield, swung around on a rope, hid behind a statue, and won by cheating against Will Turner ("Pirate").

Seems like bouncing is appropriate.

Ok....but we are talking about here is jumping around like a monkey the during the entire duel. You just don't see that....well, unfortunately in the game you do.

[jason davy]

Originally Posted by League

If you're a 40, you could probably Blast an 18 down anyway. I agree with Bart.

Welp, we had an agreement of just blades, and regardless of him hopping around like a flea, I honored it. Also, its obvious that jumping isn't "cheating" but it also OBVIOUSLY gives an unfair advantage to the one that can jump. And if you've actually been slaughtered by someone you have no prayer of hurting, you probably agree that it's bull.

Originally Posted by akamystic

Stick to the code......fight like a real Pirate! Could you imagine seeing Pirates jumping and bouncing all over the place in a real fight? In fact...I don't recall seeing that in the POTC movies either. Draw your Cutlass or Dagger and fight....face to face.

EXACTLY. If you can't play how it's meant to be played, then just don't play. Or play with other guys that play like you. I fully intend to do that myself from now on. I'm done with the jumping mess. The 18 guy beat another 40 right after me. Tell me he's being fair...

[Cheleszoo]

Originally Posted by jason davy

EXACTLY. If you can't play how it's meant to be played, then just don't play. Or play with other guys that play like you. I fully intend to do that myself from now on. I'm done with the jumping mess. The 18 guy beat another 40 right after me. Tell me he's being fair...

Well reading all this I have to put my 2 cents in just cause i want to put my 2 cents in.

There are no rules as to "How it's meant to be played". When you do an lookout, you are going to get what you get. If you want PVPs that don't include jumpers, then you need to ask ppl to PVP that don't jump.

Jumping in a PVP is more challenging than you think. And most jumpers would rather PVP other ppl that jump. If you don't Jump what is the challenge in standing there hacking at each other? The winner will be the one that has the best skills layout and the one beat can look that skill layout up and duplicate now that you can reallocate skills. Jumping is a challenge because the issue is aim. You have to be able to run, jump and aim. Some just run and skip the jumping around because the jumping slows you down a bit (well at least it does me).

I jump in PVPs with other jumpers. I hack it out with those that don't. There are a lot of things I don't like in PVP (Dolls, Staffs, Nades and Tonics). If you don't think the jumpers are 'fair". Well since when are Pirates supposed to be Fair?

As for the comment about both ppl jumping does someone win? Yes. I jump and sometimes i win and a lot of times i don't =).

Chele

[Sven Niscadae]

Originally Posted by Cheleszoo

If you don't Jump what is the challenge in standing there hacking at each other?

Which is probably why I don't do PvP, actually I've never done PvP so my opinion may not count for much. I just don't see the point in standing there and letting someone hit me. When I fight NPCs, if I can help it I will try to run around and get behind them. When using the doll, I will kite them because, well, it's a ranged weapon. It may be the FPSer in me but I'd rather not stand there. In the movies, yeah I suppose they didn't jump around like monkeys but they certainly didn't just stand there and wave their cutlasses at each other.

[jason davy]

Originally Posted by Sven Niscadae

Which is probably why I don't do PvP, actually I've never done PvP so my opinion may not count for much. I just don't see the point in standing there and letting someone hit me. When I fight NPCs, if I can help it I will try to run around and get behind them. When using the doll, I will kite them because, well, it's a ranged weapon. It may be the FPSer in me but I'd rather not stand there. In the movies, yeah I suppose they didn't jump around like monkeys but they certainly didn't just stand there and wave their cutlasses at each other.

As I said before, not jumping doesn't necessarily mean players just stand there hacking. Movement is great. Just standing there would indeed be boring.

[MacIronhawk]

I've had to deal with people who do this when in PVP.
When players do this I'll use flaming skull so I can attack them.

But I think going up against random people who may do this is a waste of time. It'd be much more convenient if there were custom PVP matches. I would really like to do a cutlass only PVP match.

[swashbuckler II]

yeah... cutlass only, Certin weapon(s) only, no tonic, ect.
Would be awsome
Where did disney so tho that jumping is a glitch?
Ima go to disneyland and jump, a guy will come up to me and say, oooo your glitching, and ill say ooo you toniced

[Miss Hexsilver]

Jason Davy, I myself am a "jumper". My first encounter with a jumper was one of my first pvps. I felt the same way as you did. However, you have to understand that this isn't "cheating", "glitching", or "hacking". It's simply a SKILL removed from other games and placed into Pirate PVP. In any First Person Shooter games, it's in your best interest to use QWEASD (or any variation of that) to your advantage in dodging enemy attacks. Why should PVP be any different? Because we're not using guns?

Anyway, in order to "jump", since become familiar with the QWEASD keys:
Q= shafte left
E= shafte right
W= move forward
A= turn left
D= turn right
S= move backwards

Please understand that jumping also requires hand-eye coordination, a skill that isn't easily learned. You must also keep the Right-Mouse button held down at all times and drag it left or right to keep aim on your opponent. If you don't have aiming abilities, TOUGH LUCK. Don't complain that you can't hit us. In addition, the right-mouse button gives A & D the same effect it would if one used Q & E. Therefore, some people omit A & D keys in PVP. Auto-running is another variation that some people choose.

All in all, I just have to say, if you can't be a man (or woman) in PVP, then stay out of the arena. If you choose to do a Lookout, that's an all-out match. Rules can't possibly have been set in before hand, so doll a jumper, staff a jumper. But if your opponent approaches you with a set of rules ie: Blades & no tonics, you can safely assume that he/she is a jumper. Now, you have the god given right to say no thanks. If you choose to accept, don't cry when you lose 10-0.

Have a nice day,
Jezi Hex / Vera


EDIT:
I would also like to point out that the reason "jumping" is in no way a glitch or hack is because:
1. the SPACE bar = jump. (complain to Disney if you think they should outlaw the Space bar)
2. the ESCAPE button = putting away weapons
3. F1 - F6 = choosing your weapons
4. qweasdr = movements
If you have any issues with these, see Disney. We're simply playing with what's given to us
So in reply to Edward Edgemenace, the fact that we're allowed to attack while jumping is NOT a glitch. I can just as easily circle my opponent WITHOUT the use of the space bar and own.

[Sven Osymthe]

Actually it is sorta fair. Sure, the lvl 18 may have beat two lvl 40's... but really, a 22 lvl advantage and all he/she is doing is jumping? If you don't know how to jump, yes, it may be unfair in your opinion but its not unfair at all. Just because you don't know how to or refuse to... doesn't mean that the other player has to take an easy on you, they are simply using something with in the rules that they so happen to be able to do to win. Tell me how a 22 lvl difference is fair...

It isn't a bad pvp when both people know how to jump... its just a lot more challenging IMO. What would you rather have though... 2 people killing each other so many times just standing still or 2 people moving around, putting up a fight and having less kills?

Also you have to think... not everyone has the same skills. One person could have points in combos, the other in passives, combat, throwing (so on...) skills. Both pirates going head to head would obviously result in the first person (with combos) coming out in an unfair win. Moving around is just a way to avoid taking a lot of damage and putting up a fight IMO.

[jason davy]

Originally Posted by Sven Osymthe

Tell me how a 22 lvl difference is fair...

It isn't a bad pvp when both people know how to jump... its just a lot more challenging IMO. What would you rather have though... 2 people killing each other so many times just standing still or 2 people moving around, putting up a fight and having less kills?

First off, a lvl 22 difference is definitely not fair, and I never said it was. The guy wanted to PvP me, so I did. I PvP'd against both a lvl 13 and a lvl 8, and although it was ridiculously unfair, we ended up talking and friending each other.

PvP (and the whole game in general) are meant to have fun. I can win, or I can get murdered and still have a good time. The issue isn't winning or losing, it's having an enjoyable game experience. And anybody who disagrees with this takes the game way too seriously. Unfair advantages, or glitches as Edward says, take away from the game experience, not just for me, but a LOT of people.

Secondly, people can move around and put up a spectacular fight without jumping. I PvP'd a lvl 32 and she absolutely SLAUGHTERED me. She moved CONSTANTLY, but never left the ground. Now THAT is skill, and it did not upset me in the least. Just because someone isn't jumping doesn't mean they are just standing still hacking.

Originally Posted by Edward Edgemenace

Yeah, I don't PvP. Doll, dagger asp, instant bladestorm/sweep/desolation, useless hex-eater, jumping, health regen...Bah. It isn't about combat, it's about glitching.

I absolutely agree. I mean, don't get me wrong, I've met some great and respectable people in PvP, but generally, it's all about glitching. Which, I guess this means I shouldn't be getting upset about it, but STILL. It's frustrating to those of us who want to have a good clean PvP game.

[Edward Edgemenace]

It is a glitch that Disney does not sheathe the weapon when the jump starts.

It is a glitch that Disney allows full-strength attacks from the air.

It is a glitch that Disney allows attacks from the air at all.

Alas, they do. They also allow instant desolation (etc.) So I don't PvP. Being "good" at PvP means only that you are good at glitching, not at fighting (certainly nothing pirate-y about these glitches. No rum!)

To do this glitch, press AND HOLD the spacebar down. Movement variants are QD or AE also held down, tapping W, or right-mouse button + Q or E. The best exercise for practicing this exploit, is to sail to Devil's Anvil and practice on Jack the Monkey.

[swashbuckler II]

so what? in real life i jump with a bat and wing the bat and im glitching? lol
Jumping is a skill not a glitch, Glitching is a skill yes but jumping isnt a glitch.