Kingshead Etiquette

[CaptainGreenGene]

There is no formal Kingshead Etiquette and attempting to overlay one will just set up a false set of rules which are ultimately unenforceable. Do whatever you feel is best for you and expect others to do the same. If they don't seem to be the same then that's ultimately just too bad. I have no clear resolution since no player can effect the behavior of another. I do have a suggestion though, If you don't like whats going on, move!

[Bartholomew Foulsteel]

Actually, I'd suggest everybody realize that unless it's violating a Disney rule, it's generally okay to be done in game. Nobody owns the MOBs. If somebody comes along and starts staffing when you're nading, big deal. It could be a kid. maybe it's a special needs player. The point is you don't know and you're not supposed to ask.

So, what if instead of working on a set of rules, we try to be helpful to others? You don't know what the situation is behind the toon. And by the way--you might make some friends that way too. And those friends may be inclined to play more nicely.

If they are rude or violate Disney's rules, use the report function.

[Juliana Maria]

Originally Posted by Bartholomew Foulsteel

Try to be helpful to others. You don't know what the situation is behind the toon. And by the way--you might make some friends that way too. And those friends may be inclined to play more nicely.

If they are rude or violate Disney's rules, use the report function.

I've always found this to work for me. If I see someone leveling in a spot already, I move to a different server. If someone comes over to where I'm leveling and starts attacking the enemies, I propose we take turns and share. More often than not people prefer sharing. When they don't, I don't push the matter.. simply find a different server. I've actually met a few good pirates by suggesting we work together to lvl.

Most pirates don't know what 'rep stealing' is. They just come and fight to fight. The only reason we can argue over the matter is because we know how the rep system works. For those who don't know, they see it as just playing the game. In the end though yes, I do agree with what has been said. Politely ask if they wouldn't mind alternating or coming up with some routine that would benefit both, crew up, and maybe make a new friend. If that doesn't work.. just move on. There are plenty of servers out there.

[Kid Heartbreaker]

Most of us will share or move on; and then there are people who are just mean or rude. The following is a true story - I was on my 2nd pirate (Noto 20 and just starting to level grenades at Kingshead). Two people showed up, a Noto 34 (bad pirate) and his friend a Noto 30:

Bad Pirate: Get Lost NOOB

I just kept tossing nades.

Bad Pirate: I said GET LOST NOOB

I just kept tossing nades.

Bad Pirate pulled out his pistol and started shooting me - I just tossed nades. Bad Pirate then took out his staff and tried to Flame Skull me.

Me: You missed me

Bad Pirate: let's PvP and see if I miss you then.

Me: I need ammo (asked bad pirate to be player friends but he said NO. Asked bad pirate's friend to be player friends and he said YES)

I logged off and came back on my Pirate Master who TP'd to bad pirates friend.

I asked bad pirate if he was still interested in PvP but he said "I don't have time - g2g"; and then he went Poof.

Bad Pirates Friend: LOL that was funny

I still have bad pirate's friend on my list and he is always asking me "where can I work blah blah blah"

[Crazypirate]

I was never trying to setup rules for Kingshead, I do realize that is impossible, merely stating a few suggestions on how to use the parade grounds without all the bickering and fighting that so often happens there. Instead it ended up on this thread as well, the idea was to come up with suggestions on how players can get along while using the parade grounds to level. I realize some players will always be rude, some nice, some noobs, some that perfer to go solo but when did suggesting ideas for how we can get along and play together better become a bad thing!

[CaptainGreenGene]

Not a bad idea to give an opinion, its just unreasonable to set up guidelines that are unenforceable and frankly unrealistic. Everyone plays how they want to, unless they are breaking the Disney rules for conduct there isn't a thing you can do.

[Crazypirate]

Originally Posted by CaptainGreenGene

its just unreasonable to set up guidelines that are unenforceable and frankly unrealistic. Everyone plays how they want to, unless they are breaking the Disney rules for conduct there isn't a thing you can do.

Thats like saying dont post guides to lvling any weapons, sailing, cards or any aspect of the game because everyone will play how they want so dont give any opinions or suggestions for anything!

[Jack Sunskull]

I agree Captain, but it does get fustrating when you are leveling and people just start staffing or nading your people. Then again it is a multiplayer online game, so I guess you take the good with the bad.

[Aliese]

Personally, I believe there's always a place for common courtesy, and that there's nothing unrealistic about expecting others to be polite.

Anonymous or not, all those pirates you see are being controlled by real people - treat them as such (which means, hopefully, with respect). IMO, if someone asks another player to not attack their enemy/enemies (assuming they were there first), the other player should respect that. Otherwise, again IMO, they're knowingly annoying another player, and that is against the rules.

[CaptainGreenGene]

You spelled it out..

Ownership: "their enemies" The statement infers that somehow the person who was there first owns something when in reality there is no ownership and thus no duty to ask or an obligation to have another player allow you to do something.

Expectations: "expecting others to be polite" The statement implies that there are rules for politeness, ie don't attack enemies that someone else is attacking, when there is clearly no expectation or rule implying this. Rude behavior does not mean rep stealing, interrupting grenades/staff training or messing up enemies. That is called playing the game and everyone plays how they want too.

Common courtesy always implies a set of common values shared by all involved. With the multi-cultural, multi-age nature of this game I doubt you will find much common ground.

The word guide and the word guidelines are very different in meaning. A guide (as your using it) is a recommendation on the best way to do something while a guideline is a rule for how to act. Giving advice on how to improve your game play is always welcome but I'm not sure people react the same to others telling them how to behave. Disney has a code of conduct that spells it out very nicely so lets just stick to that without adding anything.

[Crazypirate]

Once again you are reading more into my post than was intended nowhere does it say they are guidelines or should or need to be enforced merely suggestions for ways to play together on Kinghead without all of this kind of needless drama.

[ex8404]

Originally Posted by CaptainGreenGene

There is no formal Kingshead Etiquette and attempting to overlay one will just set up a false set of rules which are ultimately unenforceable.

I am not really sure anyone was looking for a set of rules. Etiquette does not mean rules. It's simply about manners and treating people the way you want to be treated.

Our parents used to teach us that stuff but now we are expected to do it on a forum for a video game...

"Be Polite" isn't a rule it's a suggestion and a darn good one if you ask me. But I don't play at Kings Head on a crowded server for the same reason you don't find me on Abassa Tortuga...Not enough etiquette....

You know... this thread has opened up a subject that, I think, is being danced around.

...Rep Stealing.

What it is, what it isn't and, ultimately, can such a thing even exist in a game like this? Can a player actually steal another players rep? I don't want to know about the math of it all but you know what I'm talking about.

If you are working on an enemy in a deliberate way designed to maximize you rep and some other pirate jumps into the fray and entirely messes up your system, it makes you angry. Right?

If you're working on a baby pirate and trying to make some gold and get some sailing points, who doesn't get upset at some level 40 jerk in a War Frigate who lets out a broadside and sinks the Panther you've been working on for a while?

Of course we take ownership in the enemy we have invested our time, patience and gold in. But who's right and who's wrong? I would break it down by enemy. If I am one on one with an enemy and you are NOT in my crew or my guild, then leave me and mine the heck alone.

But you really don't get to rope off an entire region, do you?

The only thing I can guarantee is that the polite, mature pirate wins even if his or her victory is a moral one. But for heavens sake, don't come here and tell us that there is no room in POTCO for manners!

[Dr. Zeppers]

Originally Posted by ex8404

I am not really sure anyone was looking for a set of rules. Etiquette does not mean rules. It's simply about manners and treating people the way you want to be treated.

Very well stated.

Originally Posted by ex8404

...Rep Stealing.

Well, this reference which could also be defined as Rep Sharing is one of the situations that can arise when pirates do not use etiquette or manners in their approach of playing the game with others. This subject has been torn apart over and over again, I can honestly say I do not think there is a single word of advice, information, or discussion that can be said on the subject that has not already been said multiple times and I do not think we really want to go 'there' since this thread is regarding etiquette, not the varied opinions on what happens when players choose not to practice it. The subject tends to get quite heated, and threads dont last long in those circumstances.

The OP makes reasonable suggestions towards helping all pirates get along well and enjoy the game together. I not only recommend them, I heed them myself (and always have).

[Bartholomew Foulsteel]

Originally Posted by ex8404

You know... this thread has opened up a subject that, I think, is being danced around.

...Rep Stealing.

What it is, what it isn't and, ultimately, can such a thing even exist in a game like this? Can a player actually steal another players rep? I don't want to know about the math of it all but you know what I'm talking about.

I would say no, rep stealing doesn't exist. The very notion of rep stealing indicates that the reputation from an enemy belongs to you somehow. That implies that somehow you OWN that enemy. I do not believe Disney would support ownership of any MOB.

Originally Posted by ex8404

If you are working on an enemy in a deliberate way designed to maximize you rep and some other pirate jumps into the fray and entirely messes up your system, it makes you angry. Right?

No. It makes you angry if you belieeve you OWN that mob, rep and location. Otherwise, you crew up, take turns, heal each other, and enjoy the game that both of you want to enjoy.

Originally Posted by ex8404

If you're working on a baby pirate and trying to make some gold and get some sailing points, who doesn't get upset at some level 40 jerk in a War Frigate who lets out a broadside and sinks the Panther you've been working on for a while?

Don't you still get experience and gold? For the other thought about ownership, see my above points.

Originally Posted by ex8404

Of course we take ownership in the enemy we have invested our time, patience and gold in. But who's right and who's wrong? I would break it down by enemy. If I am one on one with an enemy and you are NOT in my crew or my guild, then leave me and mine the heck alone.

But just because you see it that way doesn't mean everybody does. In cases like this, defer to what Disney says. You can ask them, or report the player, but I have a feeling nobody is going to get banned for attacking MOBs. You could get banned for false reporting though.

Originally Posted by ex8404

But you really don't get to rope off an entire region, do you?

No you don't.

Originally Posted by ex8404

The only thing I can guarantee is that the polite, mature pirate wins even if his or her victory is a moral one. But for heavens sake, don't come here and tell us that there is no room in POTCO for manners!

Nobody said that. As a matter of fact, you can report players for rude or disruptive bbehavior. However, I do not believe that Disney will view players attacking MOBs as rude or disruptive.

Originally Posted by Dr. Zeppers

The OP makes reasonable suggestions towards helping all pirates get along well and enjoy the game together. I not only recommend them, I heed them myself (and always have).

Yes he does. However, nobody is required to follow these suggestions. I understand they are a set of suggestions on how mature and polite players should act according to the OP's perspective. I think that common deccency and courtesy is a good thing. However, there are two very important thoughts that go along with the OP:

Nobody can be expected to follow these guidelines, and
Disney will not support these guidelines.

[Aliese]

Originally Posted by Bartholomew Foulsteel

However, I do not believe that Disney will view players attacking MOBs as rude or disruptive.

On its own, certainly not. However, if I'm alone somewhere grinding weapons and someone starts "sharing" with me, and their chat is not limited (ie, Speed Chat only and they can't understand anything I say anyway), I'll ask them not to. If they continue, I'll ask again. If they don't listen, I move to another spot. If they follow me, I'll ask them not to one final time, and say that if they don't leave me alone I'm going to report them. If they still don't listen, I report and either move on, or, if they've really annoyed me (like, called in their buddies too, who also sit by and wait for me to engage an enemy before attacking), I'll just staff everything until they get bored and leave.

If they have Speed Chat only, though, I'll just move to another area as soon as they start. No point in trying to communicate with someone who can't "hear" me (personally, I'd like to see some polite phrases in Speed Chat relating to this issue...oh well).