What is your opinion on Potco?

[Midhav]

Now my OPINION, not rating : Yes, Pirates Online did a couple of flip-flops with the Kraken and all not being released for the year 2009, but they sure kept most of us entertained with the Invasions, GM events and other stuff like that. They also completely improved the beginners' experience with the various tutorial changes and also Stowaway and Revive systems. They increased the lvl cap and added some amazing redesigns to the game ( IMHO, though the new Catacombs is best for me, it would rock if they add an area in it like the old Catacombs ).
Now I gave the game a B- rating because of the website not being so interesting and not being updated frequently, my boredom due to my guild ( my fault i accept that ), and not accomplishing what most of us wanted by now, mine being the new loot and inventory system.
But what has kept my hopes up is that i know it IS going to come.
The website needs more improvements and ways to "Connect" with players while offline ( not including POF ).
But finally, with so MANY things that are said to come ( read Developer journals, LA conference, phase files, etc ), and so many things we want, the Updates might take a heck lot of time to come, if we want them fast.
Basically i want everyone to wait for them to make the new current news to come out and mainly the Developer Diary 16 which will tell us what is to come. Thats why i said the news is hardly updated. They've been on the Call of the Kraken news for 4-5 days!!!!

[Sven Osymthe]

Sort of off topic though...Is the whole Pirates of the Burning Seas thing a fact? Or is it conjecture? I never even heard of POTBS before I started coming to POF. On the other hand, for a while there, I couldn't turn on the TV without getting blasted by one POTCO commercial after another...The two just seem to be for different audiences to me.

I'm not sure if that is 100% fact, or opinion, since its been a while since that topic was brought up. Even so, it kind of makes sense. If they hadn't released the game earlier, then those playing POTBS more than likely would not jump ship to POTCO. Rushing it would allow for the game to try and gather a decent sized crowd, and work with that for a while, bringing in more people eventually. That may not be the case, but you never know.

Plus, another reason for that could be the type of audience the two games target. They both target fans of pirate games obviously, but one of the game just goes into further detail, while the other goes into a Disney point of view. But of the two, Disney used/uses more means of advertising than POTBS (I don't think I have seen one advertisement for them).

No arguments here.

lol, didn't mean it to come out like one, that is just the way I type


But back on topic. After thinking about it more, I think I would give the game itself an A, but the influence Disney has on the game, a B.

[ex8404]

Originally Posted by Roger Dreadrage

Sven and ex804 are probably the most valid debaters here ( while I'm against the fact that ex804 can't find a good guild again ).

Thank-you.

But I never said that I couldn't find a guild. I meant to imply that I didn't WANT to find a good guild again. A weird distinction, I think, but I was part of a guild that was formed just days before I joined. I was the first pirate to be offered an officer's position. I was completely and utterly committed to the guild and the people. To me, that is the guild experience and it is one that I have been unable to recreate. Several of us are still in contact in the real world but most have left and moved on. And it is an investment that I am not certain I care to make again.

I am in a pretty good test guild. But large, well-established guilds are a bit cliquish. I am not a clique sort of guy. More of an all for one and one for all type.

So, Roger, you are right. There are some great guilds out there but guilds are a personal choice. They are not one-size-fits-all. And I admit. I am WAY more picky than I should be.

[MacIronhawk]

Originally Posted by Sven Osymthe

Yes, that is new content. The tunnels aren't really new content by your definition, but they are pretty much eye candy for the players (much better graphics than the old ones), the invasions is another story. The invasions ARE the base of the next chapter, that in turn means that the invasions are MAJOR content. Granted, some players tend to avoid them over time, but the fact is, they still got the point Disney was trying to make across.

Redesigned islands - gave us the impression the EITC were destroying the Caribbean. That in turn led us to the GM events. That went to new level caps and invasions. And THAT will lead to the next chapter. As you can see, the content that Disney has released is, scripted - it follows a plot, playable - we the players are involved in that plot, and on-going - each event triggers the next.

I agree with basically everything you said except a few statements.

You didn't really provide any facts to support that the second story quest will be based on the invasions.

If the developers said they were working on the Kraken, wouldn't that mean that that's what the second story quest will be about? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Kraken wouldn't the developers rather have all the hard work they put into the Kraken designed as a battle, and not something you can do just by sailing?

I for one see that saving the Pearl during the first story quest meant they were following the movie story line, and once killing off the Kraken and Davy Jones the developers can add in their own story quests.

Having two set in stone story quests to work on is much easier for the developers to work on than just having them say, "Well, what are we going to do? Something about Jolly Roger? Or how about we make new enemies? Ooo... let's go back to the Spanish and French pirate lords and make them a major story quest!"

It seems down right silly to me if they decided to have invasions be the basis of the second story quest. Would it not be a horrible basis, seeing as odds are you're going to need to do an invasion in one quest? When invasions only happen at certain times, which means finishing a quest to do an invasion would be too difficult. Not to mention winning an invasion to complete the quest.

Listen, I for one love the idea of a Jolly Roger story quest... but lets leave that for later. If the Kraken is what the developers are working on, that needs to be the basis of the second story quest. Kill off the Kraken and then in the third story quest fight davy jones and have loads of fun on the Dutchman.

It just seems illogical for them to say they're working on the Kraken, and then have to stop that to make a story quest that's going to go against the movies. Yes, the game is different, but Davy Jones came before jolly roger, and he should be the first to be "taken care of".

[skullduggery bones]

Originally Posted by Sven Osymthe

Personally, unless someone has a fully mastered level 50 (or at least the old fully mastered, level 40), then there is really no reason to complain. The raise in notoriety levels was major content, maybe not the exact major we want, but that will come in due time. Unless someone has finished that part, they still have something to do, so new story chapters shouldn't be that big of a deal.

I have 3 pirates 50 and a 4th nearly there so as Sven says I should be the one complaining, but I am totally happy with what POTCO has given us. The game has progressed so much and is so different from when it started. In these last 2 years they have actually given us loads (just check out the POTCO events Wiki) And I know that there is also much, much more to come. So they said certain things may come out, but haven't..... YET... It will be here soon enough.
I have a fantastic guild, great circle of friends and can always find something to do.
So I give the game an A.

[Sven Osymthe]

You didn't really provide any facts to support that the second story quest will be based on the invasions.

I didn't really think it would be necessary to include. Reading the lores, and attending the GM events, it is pretty obvious that the next step in the story is picking up where the invasions left off. Jolly Roger attacked Port Royal, to destroy the mansion. He attacked Tortuga to capture Jack Sparrow. But what about Padres?

There was a thread floating around for quite some time, which contained a quest (believed by the person who posted it to be the next chapter). That quest was removed from the game, but it was the headstone quest. The headstone in the quest was apparently located on Padres (or at least the person who knew where it is at is located there). That quest right there fits into the "But what about Padres?" question. Makes perfect sense to me that this could very well be the next chapter, with the Kraken following soon after.

If the developers said they were working on the Kraken, wouldn't that mean that that's what the second story quest will be about?

All of the work on the Kraken does not mean it is going to be the base of the next story. Sure they worked on it, but that doesn't mean it is going to be the next chapter. Look at their stories posted on their site, nothing about the Kraken (other than rumors of it arriving in March last year), has been said. It wouldn't make much sense to throw the Kraken in the game right now, because there is no story leading up to it. Right now Disney has made out Jolly Roger to be the main enemy, with that said, throwing Davy Jones and the Kraken into the game make no sense at all.

It seems down right silly to me if they decided to have invasions be the basis of the second story quest. Would it not be a horrible basis, seeing as odds are you're going to need to do an invasion in one quest? When invasions only happen at certain times, which means finishing a quest to do an invasion would be too difficult. Not to mention winning an invasion to complete the quest.

That wasn't what I meant when I said the invasions would more than likely be the base of the next chapter. I meant that the invasions are going to build up to the next chapter. The invasions have again, brought up the question as to why the islands are being attacked. We know why Port Royal is, why Tortuga is, all that is left is Padres.

It just seems illogical for them to say they're working on the Kraken, and then have to stop that to make a story quest that's going to go against the movies. Yes, the game is different, but Davy Jones came before jolly roger, and he should be the first to be "taken care of".

Actually, given all the talk about the Kraken (by the players, not developers), it makes perfect sense for them to say they are working on it. By saying that, they are building hype for the release of the Kraken. That hype will encourage more people to join the game and play. Or encourage those playing already to stick around and see it.


Its just my opinion, but to me it makes a lot of sense. Given all Disney themselves have said, Davy Jones and the Kraken do not fit into the story at the moment. First things first, they have to reveal to us why Jolly is attacking Padres. Be it in a major chapter, or just a minor quest, they need to reveal that to us. Assuming that the next chapter is that old headstone quest we've heard about before, they could have Jolly steal that. Then the quests following could be us trying to locate the headstone, recover the headstone, and then they could introduce Davy Jones and the Kraken into the story.

[toanuju22]

Well, for terminating both my accounts, making the Barbary Korsairs Guild fall into pieces, not responding to any of the emails Me, my mom, my guild, or even my friends from POTCO sent, taking over a month to reinstate my accounts, not telling my why I was terminated in the first place, and having horrible customer service, I couldn't give POTCO anything more than a G- in customer service.

As for POTCO's updates, C+, over all their not amusing unexpected and enjoyable, new lvls were good, but many Players already maxed again making it rather a waste, doing cave raids, Eitc events, and the Port Royal invasions, also weren't really needed or important. If POTCO really wanted to simply make one good update this year, they should have simply added an amazing ship customization, got rid of all the old ships, and adding real movie accurate ships, ones with real top deck guns too! Then I might have given POTCO a A-, but they didn't so they stay with a C+.

And my over all grade for POTCO, a E-.

Now I got the question in the last thread I posted, asking why did I try so hard to get my accounts back to play POTCO if I hate it?
First off, I don't hate POTCO,..... very much, I hate their customer service.
And second, I play not for any joy or fun of what POTCO has to offer, I play simply for having fun with my guild (Been doing so since June.) , however being that POTCO terminated me for 3 Cursed months, the guild went to pot, and now there really isn't much of a purpose to play.

Nuju-

[Captain Del]

Well, for terminating both my accounts, making the Barbary Korsairs Guild fall into pieces, not responding to any of the emails Me, my mom, my guild, or even my friends from POTCO sent, taking over a month to reinstate my accounts, not telling my why I was terminated in the first place, and having horrible customer service, I couldn't give POTCO anything more than a G- in customer service.

Mate, I'll be perfectly honest. There are HUNDREDS of pirates who get banned every week, and recieve no reason. Consider yourself lucky just that they actually responded to you. And seeing as how they reinstated your account, which they hardly EVER due, consider yourself a walking good-luck charm. You can't be angry with them, for banning you, when you violated their rules, on MULTIPLE occassions. Its YOUR responsibility to be a pirate who follows rules, and not only that, but sets an example for his guild. YOU accepted the Terms of Use, and YOU agreed THEY could ban you for violating those rules, and YOU agreed you would allow them to do so for whatever reason. And, just a bit off-topic. Wouldn't you think that you would stop using that word that stops with an "i," even after your account got terminated over it?

As for POTCO's updates, C+, over all there not amusing unexpected and enjoyable, new lvls were good, but many Players already maxed again making it rather a waste, doing cave raids, Eitc events, and the Port Royal invasions, also weren't really needed or important. If POTCO really wanted to simply make one good update this year, they should have simply added an amazing ship customization, got rid of all the old ships, and adding real movie accurate ships, ones with real top deck guns too! Then I might have given POTCO a A-, but they didn't so they stay with a C+.

Well, they don't have to add content in general! They could have just made the game, and let it be. And, POTCO is a fantasy game, mate. If I wanted to play a historically accurate game, I'd go play POTBS (which was way too complicated for a pirate like me.) What are the POTC movies about? Undead pirates, talking fish, an man with a squid as a head who locked his heart in box, who controls a bigger squid, and all that stuff? Yeah... Also, keep in mind, its Disney. They're mascot is a talking mouse, and they're entire company is based on imagination. You can't expect for them to create a living, breathing world with real, complicated ships and a working economy.

[MacIronhawk]

Well, I can continue to theorize, or I can stop, so I'll stop.

It's impossible to know what the second story quest will be about until it comes out. I for one believe it will be about the Kraken, considering he's in the phase files and being worked on.

There's no real evidence to say Jolly Roger will be in the second story quest. For all we know invasions are here just to entertain us.

Invasions in toontown happen all the time, and invasions in POTCO may just be little events for fun that will happen all the time. It would be weird of the developers to get rid of invasions and use them just to build up to a second story quest. What about players that join two years from now? Shouldn't they get to have a chance at invasions? I think so.

I'm just going to say, I strongly believe the second story quest will be about the Kraken. Seeing as there's no evidence to support or disprove any claim that has been made, it's a safe assumption.

[Midhav]

well there could be a 3rd chapter about the kraken, the 2nd one continuing the Invasion story....
The invasions after pdf may drop in once in a while.Mate its part of the lore thats why. the 2nd one might set off after jack gets the BP back.

[ex8404]

I honestly think that the second chapter was supposed to be out by now. I think that the end boss was supposed to be the Kraken. I also think that, for whatever reason, the Kraken didn't work and they have been back pedaling all year long.

That is why we have little quests like Casa del Muerto and also the Invasions. Jolly Roger is here because it works. These things combined with everything else help lay the groundwork for the NEW second chapter. So the rewrite has begun, the new chapter will be here when it gets here and this pirate is still bored.

I will make a prediction. There will be no Kraken. I am sick to death of the all "Kraken" talk so I imagine the poor developers are a million times sicker of the thing. I have never pinned my hopes and dreams a big, dumb, smelly squid-thing in the first place. If the squid DOES show up? It will be as a final boss of the new chapter...

Humbly submitted, ex8404.

[MacIronhawk]

I think you're right, ex8404.

I find it odd that they worked on the Kraken, even showed us a grey model of it, and it hasn't been out yet.

They're probably having trouble with the AI. The Kraken needs to be able to grab us without us having to stand in a certain spot on a ship. It needs to be able to move its' tentacles 360 so that it can grab pirates from any area on the ship, and of course missing a pirate every now and then.

If you think about it, the Kraken being a boss battle is extremely complicated. It's most likely going to be the boss battle at the end of a story quest, but what will go into the battle is more complicated than any other thing in the game now.

I find it amazing the developers haven't posted something like, "The Kraken itself is done, but complications have occured that we need to fix before we can work on a Kraken battle." Even if they aren't working on a battle right now, I'm surprised he hasn't come out yet when pirates of him were posted on the POTCO site.

It just seems too weird for him to not be out yet. Well, all we can do is wait... hopefully the developers aren't having too much trouble, because they need to hurry.

Like I've said, if they don't get something huge out before the summer, they're going to lose a lot of players.

[Captain Whale]

Originally Posted by Sven Osymthe

I Jolly Roger attacked Port Royal, to destroy the mansion. He attacked Tortuga to capture Jack Sparrow. But what about Padres?


That wasn't what I meant when I said the invasions would more than likely be the base of the next chapter. I meant that the invasions are going to build up to the next chapter. The invasions have again, brought up the question as to why the islands are being attacked. We know why Port Royal is, why Tortuga is, all that is left is Padres.

Ahoy - I posted a short history of what we know in the Eiree sightings thread. During the Reunion GM events John Moses stated that Jolly Roger is going to Padres del Fuegos to retrieve weapons. He said he overheard Jolly Roger discussing this and that there are weapon caches all over the island. we were warned to protect Padres and deny Jolly these weapons. The actual target during the invasion of Padres is the main town itself. Jolly's minions attack the walls of the city.

My thought is this will lead to the new level of weapon quests. Also the golden cutlass that John Moses found in his field has to play a part somewhere. See where the story takes us. P)

Captain Whale

[Buck Seahawk]

Lies lies all lies......... F-. I have pretty much stopped playing, until they get the good stuff in.... if ever.

[toanuju22]

Originally Posted by Captain Del

Well, they don't have to add content in general! They could have just made the game, and let it be. And, POTCO is a fantasy game, mate. If I wanted to play a historically accurate game, I'd go play POTBS (which was way too complicated for a pirate like me.) What are the POTC movies about? Undead pirates, talking fish, an man with a squid as a head who locked his heart in box, who controls a bigger squid, and all that stuff? Yeah... Also, keep in mind, its Disney. They're mascot is a talking mouse, and they're entire company is based on imagination. You can't expect for them to create a living, breathing world with real, complicated ships and a working economy.

Now if POTCO would have just made the game and never updated it, would you play, with all the bugs and such? I don't even think POTCO would have been able to last a year without having to shut down if there would be no updates. They have to make updates, if they don't they would run out of money. Now I question if you can read quite clearly, I know POTCO is fictional but it's based of POTC, POTC had real ships, and if your going to say "The Dutchman wasn't real! well, no it wasn't, but the basic look of the ship, is almost a complete replica of the Sweedish Galleon Of War, the Vasa.
The point is that POTCO is movie based, so it should have ships looking the same as they did in the movies.

For reference:

The Flying Dutchman:
[IMG]http://images3.*****.nocookie.net/pirates/images/thumb/6/6b/FlyingDutchmanScreen.jpg/250px-FlyingDutchmanScreen.jpg[/IMG]

The Vasa:


Yes the POTC movies are fictional, but the ships in it are based on real ships.

The Interceptor: Brig.
The Dauntless: First Rate Ship of the Line aka Man Of War.
The Endeavor: Same as the dauntless.
The Black Pearl: East Indiaman
The Empress: Junk
The Flying Dutchman: Vasa
The Edinburgh Trader: Baroque

And don't get me started about the talking mouse.

Nuju-