Ship Battles and Cowardice

[League]

Originally Posted by Kitfisto

I agree with the guy who posted this. When people get competitive they lose all moral values.

Seems like quite a stretch... I doubt anyone loses any moral anything when they do that stuff in the first post. As well, I'd say it's people of lower standard who do stuff of lower standard, not higher standard people doing stuff beneath them just because they're getting competitive.

[Deadpool]

Most of those are VERY annoying. Logging out and docking that's mostly what makes me mad. Just when you need a few more hit. I mean can't they atleast wait til they sink to do it? It's not like you pay for it. I think that is either a true coward, an ego-maniac, or just plain stupidity.

If that's the way they wanna play, then there's nothing left to do, but try to sink them fast as you can.

BTW, spies?! C'mon now that's just childish.

[Pirate Bood]

Originally Posted by Radulf_Stormfury

* Leaving SvS waters ...


Rad

huh, hello ? There are designated borders? Borders that mean we can only play in certain ' waters' ?

Now I know u r kiddin!

Long have all of us that svs regularly wanted servers for just svs so we dont encounter normal ships n npc ships and because most importantly it would combat lag.
Since no such thing exists then the whole map is fair game, and the chase adds to the thrill.
Pity u cant complain to the cap of that man o war flag that keeps meandering into play just off avaricia cos he sure left his ' waters '!

Really I cant believe u are complaining about that, there are cheats n glitchers who do deserve your frown but 'leaving of SvS waters' ... Puleease!

[Captain Del]

While running out of the SvS waters is annoying, like said before, it is only a way in which a pirate wants to live.

Just because a pirate leaves the SvS waters does not mean he is a coward. And I can back this up by many reasons.

1. If a pirate is being chased down by 2, 3, 4, or 5 ships, he will run. Its common sense.

2. If he needs to repair, it wouldn't be so smart to sit down right in the middle of the battlefeild, while a fleet of War ships go to battle around him.

3. REAL cheating in SvS is when you glitch or cheat to try and get the upper hand. Running away is only an annoying tactic.

4. All pirates have different strategies for SvS and/or PvP. Some prefer to go dead on, run as fast as they can into areas where the enemy is strongest, and fire away their weapons, holding nothing back. Others decide to take it easy, taking cover behind rocks, firing when their enemy is most likely to be hit, and, if neccassary, running away or hiding inorder to save their hides.

While this is annoying right off the bat, you can't call it cheating, because think about it, there are things that tough pirates would do, and then there things smart pirates will do. You chose which is which, it can't be that hard. Common sense my friend, you are going to die, you run.

Then again, there ARE things I would classify as cheating, or just plain childish, such as.....

1. Glitching into rocks to attack others or repair.

2. Glitching off the ship to go and kill the captain of an enemy ship.

3. Sending spies to go see what the other team is doing.

4. Logging off right in the middle of a battle.

You can call THESE tactics cheating, but not so much running away.

[Pirate Bood]

Originally Posted by Captain Del

3. Sending spies to go see what the other team is doing.....


....You can call THESE tactics cheating, but not so much running away.

Agreed with most of it Captain Del but for this one, I think if you consider the likely survival tactics of real pirates and look at how that becomes incorporated in a game such as this then you will see that spying is also fair game.

I know its annoying and mostly you can rumble the spies because they stand on your ship and dont contribute to sinking the team they are really on.
But the clandestine acts of pirates such as this are not only survival tactics they are the natural development of the personality of the game. Like the thrill off the chase and being hunted or the kamikaze of going into the fray head on.
All these things are annoying if you are the one targetted and sunk but they also make you try harder and that makes the game fun. And its playing on the canvas that disney supplied us with so it isnt cheating.

[thefadedrose]

Im sorry Radulph but I agree with Rackat. We cant very well repair in the middle of battle. We stay long enough to take them down or they take us down but if we have to repair Im sorry but we gotta go somewhere safe enough to repair. We do stay close enough to see the battle and its not like we go way over to Padres to do it like some peeps I have seen do.

The only cowardly thing I have seen peeps do is the "go hide in the rock" glitch or just log off just as you are about to sink them.

But we are all pirates mate and pirates do what pirates must do to fight another day. But we dont cheat by using the glitches. We fight fair and square. And we have had others call us cowardly by going off to repair but sorry its hard to do in the heat of battle and if anyone knows of another way of repairing while staying the battle then I would more than happy to listen and apply that action. Thanks a bunch! Kani of Spartan Ellite

[lostinthelab]

When a pirate logs off in the heat of battle, have you ever noticed what time it is?

It is possible that you're playing against someone who lives under their parents' roof and plays under their parents' rules. Some children actually listen to the time limits set for them and when it's time to log off, they log off. (Or maybe they'd lose game time for awhile.) Just saying that maybe it's not that they're losing the fight, but rather that they have to go.

[League]

I agree with Pirate Blood. Using spies isn't cheating: it's merely a tactic that some use. I'm not gonna go anywhere near it, and say that it's genius, or that it's low, or that it's effective, or that it's anything really.

It's only cowardice really if it's a glitch in my book: or, to be more dead on, it's the only cowardice that is somewhat reprehensible a) in a game, and b) in a game of pirates at that.

[thefadedrose]

No, on the "its children and they are obeying their time limit on the computer" I have seen them come right back on. Dont know if they are using a glitch type thing but they are definitely coming back into the "heat of battle". Do they lose their score, bounty, or keep their ship intact when they do that? I know some peeps that do that so I will have to ask why they are doing it and what do they gain from it. Or maybe they are questing and need the "dont sink" portion of the quest. Idk. But I have seen quite a few do it. Kani of Spartan Ellite

[corndog20]

I don't think that borders are a good thing. True it is annoying when someone runs but isn't that just good tactics? In my opinion it is. Knowing when to hit, when to hold and when to fold is never a bad thing... Sorry your ships are not fast enough to catch them..... lol

[Edward Edgemenace]

There already ARE set limits on where your ship can go in SvS. You can run and hide anywhere in the Caribbean. Seems like a sensible rule for pirates to adhere to.

I'm disappointed that I can hit an enemy ship, doing 99% damage to them, then they can cowardly drop anchor (or log out) anywhere they like, stealing the bounty from the match. It would be "better" if they forfeited their bounty (proportionally to each enemy that damaged them) when they land somewhere other than their base island.

Regarding the original post, the only complaint that seems valid to me, is the "spies" issue. In the context of SvS as Disney has created it, simply using "spies" is not so bad. But using "saboteurs" is evil. Boarding a high-bounty enemy ship and lag-bombing them, shooting NPC ships, camping on favored cannons and stealing wheel during repairs, should not be part of the game. Simply "spying" would be ok, but the vicious acts of sabotage would not be tolerated by real pirates. Those scurvy scallywags would walk the plank in a heartbeat. It is unclear if the original poster meant saboteurs or spies. Spying adds a pleasant level of complexity to the game; sabotage ruins the game for everyone (because Disney left out the very, very, very, very, very critical mechanism, for making those evil thugs walk the plank.)

Just think for a moment, what SvS would be like, if they had a walk-the-plank capability. Captains like me, too quick to use WTP, would engender very few pirates willing to come aboard. On the other hand, popular captains would avoid using WTP unless a clear majority on board wanted an individual off (and therefore, would attract many more people to board their ship.)

And man, I'd love to see the sharks eat some of those saboteurs. Come to think of it, if they add it, I'd love to be the first one to walk the plank, just to see the sharks (who cares if I go to jail and get groggy.)

The only problem I can see, with them implementing it, is that it would have to be the boat OWNER'S perogitive. Otherwise, wheel-stealers would be an even greater problem. But don't get me started on the lack of a WHEEL permission thing - that is quite possibly the most sinister defect of POTCO, as it is now.

Back to the original post, I tihnk others have echoed my sentiments: most of those complaints seem invalid. Perhaps the OP just had a bad day.

[Solomon Redrage]

good post edward.. i agree with thee wholeheartedly.

my points to add:

1) create a complete SVS server by itself (as stated above)
2) spying is not cheating
3) glitchers should replace gordon greer in the stocks for a whole day (hehehe.. okay wishful thinking)

and lastly.. if you don't like those who run.. dont chase them. find another ship to sink.

[Arioch]

aw.....so much to add where to begin..

The most dastardly deed a pirate can do in SVS is to let his ship and all aboard SINK.

with that being said glitches and logging are not honorable.

A war sloop by Disney definition is a HIT and RUN war ship.

For a captain sailing solo on a war sloop it is not cowardly to use hit and run tactics as it deals a blow to the enemy and you live to fight another day.

If those same ships that are running were such cowards? then how on earth did they get such a large bounty? The bounty is proportionately as large as the damage they inflicted on other ships.

If another crew nearly sinks a ship with large bounty and you fire the last shot sure you get credit for the sinking but do you get ALL the bounty??? Why of course not the total bounty is distributed to all the ships who damaged her.

Now people tend to give lots of grief to those ships who excel in the art of hit and run tactics because they tend to hold onto their loot for long periods of time.

And here is where people have different opinions, I mean exactly that once the loot is exchanged and it is their bounty the captain of that particular ship has FULL discretion as to what he intends to do with it.
Continue to fight, go AFK to eat dinner or go to nearest port of call land his ship and bury his loot so that no one will ever see it again.

Pirates bury treasure it is in their nature and part of the code. If you are chasing a ship and you think they are going to port simply hit them with a shot from your cannon and they will not be able to port for another 30 seconds.

If you intend to chase pirates then use a fast ship good gunners and invest in speed skills.

But most importantly these coward ships would never ever have any of YOUR loot in the first place if YOUR particular captain had not sunk in the first place.

The captains (any captain) first priority is to ship and crew and I wish Disney would make replacing ships that are sunk more expensive then maybe people would tend to place more importance on not sinking.

Sinking is LOSING no matter how you spin it.

[Edward Edgemenace]

Good post Arioch, I agree with your general conclusion about sinking, but there are several problems with what you say.

A solo captain on a war sloop that doesn't sink almost immediately is a glitcher. Invincible pirate + invincible ship + shoot cannon while sailing + shoot one of each ammo with each moust click + blinking (teleporting the ship by pausing game) + simultaneous open fire/take cover, are the solo captain's only means of survival. Now that it takes 9 seconds to go from the helm to firing a cannon, it is a bit more obvious.

The SvS quests given, several times indicate the importance of returning to your base island, not any island of your choice. Yet the glitch remains that no penalty is enforced for such cheating.

With no automatic ejection from the game after 5 ot 10 sinkings in a row, war galleons are allowed to just keep donating salvage (presumably from someone's second computer.)

The game POTCO is oriented towards group efforts, crew/public enhance that notion. But without a WALK THE PLANK feature, saboteurs rule the day.

[Arioch]

Actually A war sloop can be used in SVS successfully without sinking solo without glitching I know as I do it everyday for months. Any one who sails regularly on Abassa or Andaba has seen my ship Shadow Demon sail for hours on end with high bounty whilst being chased by anyone and everyone trying to sink me and all with no crew onboard from start to finish.

I don't glitch, do not have unlimited ammo etc. and most surprisingly to some I do not man the cannons to sink ships I do it all with broadsides alone.

My skills and sailing techniques are optimized for hit and run tactics. Having a very very fast PC with overclocked ram and video card and optimized settings makes for zero lag in the game.

The more people on the ship is more network lag as all pc's on board need to sync up when you have a solo pirate on a fast ship in svs he has a very large advantage.

In svs I can dodge enemy broadside fire and fury at mid range with ease.

People tend to be very mad at me and my ship because usually any time loot comes aboard my ship it is no longer in play as my ship has to sink for it to be redistributed and it usually takes a concentrated effort involving a long chase and many ships to run me to ground and even then I resort to porting rather then sinking as I tend to HIDE my loot.

With that being said the above is not bragging or a stretch of the truth as anyone who does SVS recognizes the ship and my name and they also know I sail almost always solo when at the helm of my ship and I do rack up large bounty and I am extremely hard to sink and when it comes to running I am ranked among the best as a very hard ship to run down.

I successfully run from light sloops with gunners while driving a war sloop and all with out using glitches or hacks. what people don't realize is that certain combinations of skills overlap each other and give different results and video card settings in and out of the game mean EVERYTHING.

PC speed, video cards and network adapters and settings mean EVERYTHING in SVS and the main reason I sail solo is as soon as one person is aboard the ship it's almost like someone dropped an anchor all the speed advantage goes poof.

Not from glitching mind you simply put the ship (all ships) runs at the speed of the slowest PC in the crew.