"Jumping" in PvP

[swashbuckler II]

if both do it, its kinda hard to aim

[akamystic]

Stick to the code......fight like a real Pirate! Could you imagine seeing Pirates jumping and bouncing all over the place in a real fight? In fact...I don't recall seeing that in the POTC movies either. Draw your Cutlass or Dagger and fight....face to face.

[jason davy]

Originally Posted by League

If you're a 40, you could probably Blast an 18 down anyway. I agree with Bart.

Welp, we had an agreement of just blades, and regardless of him hopping around like a flea, I honored it. Also, its obvious that jumping isn't "cheating" but it also OBVIOUSLY gives an unfair advantage to the one that can jump. And if you've actually been slaughtered by someone you have no prayer of hurting, you probably agree that it's bull.

Originally Posted by akamystic

Stick to the code......fight like a real Pirate! Could you imagine seeing Pirates jumping and bouncing all over the place in a real fight? In fact...I don't recall seeing that in the POTC movies either. Draw your Cutlass or Dagger and fight....face to face.

EXACTLY. If you can't play how it's meant to be played, then just don't play. Or play with other guys that play like you. I fully intend to do that myself from now on. I'm done with the jumping mess. The 18 guy beat another 40 right after me. Tell me he's being fair...

[Sven Osymthe]

Actually it is sorta fair. Sure, the lvl 18 may have beat two lvl 40's... but really, a 22 lvl advantage and all he/she is doing is jumping? If you don't know how to jump, yes, it may be unfair in your opinion but its not unfair at all. Just because you don't know how to or refuse to... doesn't mean that the other player has to take an easy on you, they are simply using something with in the rules that they so happen to be able to do to win. Tell me how a 22 lvl difference is fair...

It isn't a bad pvp when both people know how to jump... its just a lot more challenging IMO. What would you rather have though... 2 people killing each other so many times just standing still or 2 people moving around, putting up a fight and having less kills?

Also you have to think... not everyone has the same skills. One person could have points in combos, the other in passives, combat, throwing (so on...) skills. Both pirates going head to head would obviously result in the first person (with combos) coming out in an unfair win. Moving around is just a way to avoid taking a lot of damage and putting up a fight IMO.

[Bartholomew Foulsteel]

Originally Posted by akamystic

Stick to the code......fight like a real Pirate! Could you imagine seeing Pirates jumping and bouncing all over the place in a real fight? In fact...I don't recall seeing that in the POTC movies either. Draw your Cutlass or Dagger and fight....face to face.

Well, when I recall Jack Sparrow (not a real pirate, but certainly appropriate example for a POTCO issue) in the first movie, he held a woman hostage, using her for a shield, swung around on a rope, hid behind a statue, and won by cheating against Will Turner ("Pirate").

Seems like bouncing is appropriate.

[Edward Edgemenace]

It is a glitch that Disney does not sheathe the weapon when the jump starts.

It is a glitch that Disney allows full-strength attacks from the air.

It is a glitch that Disney allows attacks from the air at all.

Alas, they do. They also allow instant desolation (etc.) So I don't PvP. Being "good" at PvP means only that you are good at glitching, not at fighting (certainly nothing pirate-y about these glitches. No rum!)

To do this glitch, press AND HOLD the spacebar down. Movement variants are QD or AE also held down, tapping W, or right-mouse button + Q or E. The best exercise for practicing this exploit, is to sail to Devil's Anvil and practice on Jack the Monkey.

[swashbuckler II]

so what? in real life i jump with a bat and wing the bat and im glitching? lol
Jumping is a skill not a glitch, Glitching is a skill yes but jumping isnt a glitch.

[Edward Edgemenace]

Originally Posted by swashbuckler II

so what? in real life i jump with a bat and wing the bat and im glitching? lol
Jumping is a skill not a glitch, Glitching is a skill yes but jumping isnt a glitch.

Please, in real life, try it. (Against an inanimate object, preferably.) The force you hit it with is less than 1/10th (or less than 100th if you've never practiced it) than if you hit it while solidly connected on the ground.

Regardless what the physics of the situation are in real life, the three bugs/glitches/exploits I mentioned above are defects in the game.

[swashbuckler II]

ok brb gonna try it on my sis, lol jk
It would make sence tho if the damage was 10% less or 5% less when the attack was launched in mid air, but remember, you cant use sweep, brawl, that 3rd skill, or bladestorm in mid air.

[MacIronhawk]

I've had to deal with people who do this when in PVP.
When players do this I'll use flaming skull so I can attack them.

But I think going up against random people who may do this is a waste of time. It'd be much more convenient if there were custom PVP matches. I would really like to do a cutlass only PVP match.

[Edward Edgemenace]

You mean 95-99% less effective. But any weapon out, should be put away to jump. Either preventing the jump or putting the weapon away for you (on each bounce of the jump) would mitigate the exploit.

Likewise, your health should not regenerate while you have a weapon out. Instead, when in combat, your health regenerates faster (if you are attacking) than if you put your weapon away (if not being hit in both cases.) Obviously another bug/glitch/exploit. But hey, all things being equal...

Yeah, I don't PvP. Doll, dagger asp, instant bladestorm/sweep/desolation, useless hex-eater, jumping, health regen...Bah. It isn't about combat, it's about glitching.

[swashbuckler II]

yeah... cutlass only, Certin weapon(s) only, no tonic, ect.
Would be awsome
Where did disney so tho that jumping is a glitch?
Ima go to disneyland and jump, a guy will come up to me and say, oooo your glitching, and ill say ooo you toniced

[jason davy]

Originally Posted by Sven Osymthe

Tell me how a 22 lvl difference is fair...

It isn't a bad pvp when both people know how to jump... its just a lot more challenging IMO. What would you rather have though... 2 people killing each other so many times just standing still or 2 people moving around, putting up a fight and having less kills?

First off, a lvl 22 difference is definitely not fair, and I never said it was. The guy wanted to PvP me, so I did. I PvP'd against both a lvl 13 and a lvl 8, and although it was ridiculously unfair, we ended up talking and friending each other.

PvP (and the whole game in general) are meant to have fun. I can win, or I can get murdered and still have a good time. The issue isn't winning or losing, it's having an enjoyable game experience. And anybody who disagrees with this takes the game way too seriously. Unfair advantages, or glitches as Edward says, take away from the game experience, not just for me, but a LOT of people.

Secondly, people can move around and put up a spectacular fight without jumping. I PvP'd a lvl 32 and she absolutely SLAUGHTERED me. She moved CONSTANTLY, but never left the ground. Now THAT is skill, and it did not upset me in the least. Just because someone isn't jumping doesn't mean they are just standing still hacking.

Originally Posted by Edward Edgemenace

Yeah, I don't PvP. Doll, dagger asp, instant bladestorm/sweep/desolation, useless hex-eater, jumping, health regen...Bah. It isn't about combat, it's about glitching.

I absolutely agree. I mean, don't get me wrong, I've met some great and respectable people in PvP, but generally, it's all about glitching. Which, I guess this means I shouldn't be getting upset about it, but STILL. It's frustrating to those of us who want to have a good clean PvP game.

[Sven Osymthe]

Well honestly I can't disagree with you about it taking away from the gaming experience of others... I myself don't like to PvP against jumpers but eh.. not a glitch, and I like the challenge. I myself prefer not to jump in PvP unless its unfair.... more than one opponent against me, or the person is just flat out cheating. That lvl 32 who slaughtered you in a pvp by moving around and not leaving the ground... thats the same way I prefer to pvp. But theres little difference between jumping around an opponent and circling around them... you still end up having to be quick enough to hit them.

Also I know I said that not jumping is pretty much standing still... I thought you were pretty much saying that moving around is unfair which it isn't in the slightest.

[swashbuckler II]

lol sven you AND andrea just 2 vs 1 me and u jumped