POTBS vs. POTCO

[charles gunfury]

Originally Posted by PirateEmpire

I had the retail so I didn't have to deal with the massive download time. I actually had it installed long before F2P happened for the game.

Here's some beginner tips:
Do all starter missions so you can get acquainted with the game mechanics
Join any society so they can help you with questions and get ships for discount prices
Don't enter ports under contention and risk losing your ship
Don't activate PvP flag until you feel you have a good ship that can handle the gunfire

And how big is the download file anyway? I bet it's quite a few gigs.

7.1 but its goin pretty fast since it hit 100.0 MB

[Captain Del]

First off, we need to consider the fact your post contains a strong bias. Your pirate here on POTCO is level 10, while I assume that you have a pirate on POTBS that is much closer to the max than on here. As such, I don't think you could make a fair judgement, when you've barely experienced this game.

I'd also like to note the fact that the direction of your post is not a question, but an answer to the question. You're like a lawyer that goes "Did you kill him?" and before the witness can say anything, you pretty much said "YES YOU DID!" This by the fact you failed to list any positives of the game, which must link back to your origins from POTBS, and your level 10 standing.

Now, on to the actual subject at hand.

I played POTBS through it's free trial, and I won't deny, it's pretty impressive. It's quests are very diverse, and it's enviroment is very unique. But, I must say:

1. Game play gets very dry, very quickly. As much as I love the realistic combat, I don't like the fact it takes over half an hour to sink three ships, and that's with mindless and nearly unhelpful ally ships. Also, when battling ships on the open sea, I basically had to spend five minutes sailing around, trying to get to it at a safe speed of about 2 miles per hour. By the time I got up to it, I was about ready to shoot my own ship.

2. Very, very complicated. Let's face it, the game is no cake walk. Learning about the market, the economy, the land claims, how to do what, it felt like that if I wanted to play that game, I might as well just go manage my taxes. Honestly, I really like how diverse and different it is, but it took me at least an hour to get a vague idea of the auction house. And by that time, my advil was just starting to kick in for my headache.

3. Not too friendly. I remember the first day I got in that game, the only thing I was in the land AND sea chatboxes was people yelling and screaming at each other. Yeah, ok, that's here too. But at least this game has some pretty nice censors, that keep insults at most laughable. The language I saw there made we want to cringe a bit.

Also, you say that POTBS has a larger community than POTCO. I find that very, very unlikely, on the grounds that POTCO is a self-sufficent game that is still able to make such progress on it's own two feet. Not to mention, in POTCO, as you stated, there are more servers here, which is better at explaining how expansive this game can become. And, of course, POTCO is definately popular on the basis of the POTC movies, Disney being it's parent, and the fact that, overall, it is more child friendly.

Next, in terms of subscription fees, I noticed that POTBS only has monthly fees, which are the same as WoW ($15.) And, in all honestly, if I wanted to pay for something that is worth the price of a usual WoW subscription, I'd play WoW!

If I were to give an unbiased list, I would have to say:

POTBS:
+100 different ships + user content such as flags and ships
+100 missions
+Diverse Ports
+Vast Open Sea
+Conquerable Ports
+Large community/loyal fanbase
-Partial lag
-Fewer servers
-Big learning curve
-Difficult on areas from basic learning to everyday functions.
-Bickering and older community that may result in drama.
-Not child friendly.
-Sea Combat is slow and repetitive.

POTCO:
+Large, friendly community.
+Quick learning curve - very easy to jump right in to the action.
+Smaller subscription fee.
+Interactive both on it's site and in-game with players.
+Hundreds of weapons, clothing pieces, etc.
+Rapidly updated in terms of content.
-Basic access is considerably limited in terms of being able to experience the game fully.
-Majority of quests are old and repetitive.

Oh, and one last thing. My old Guildmaster and her friend (my closest in-game friend) went to POTBS because they felt it had better content... for about three weeks. They then came back, saying "POTBS is fun, but it'll never be Pirates Online."

[Tiberius Fireskull]

PirateEmpire. By Disney I mean POTCO/the Developers. I use the terms interchangeably, so please bear with me on that. Basics were never able to use a Frigate, or even Light Frigate before. POTCO needs money, so by having Unlimited have more, people have a motivation to upgrade and give them money so that they can continue to add things FOR BASIC AND UNLIMITED. Every time they update the game, basics will get a little more. Perhaps not as much as unlimited access, I agree with you there. But again, POTCO needs people to upgrade so they get money. Ask around anywhere, and I'm sure that most people will agree that whenever POTCO adds something for unlimited, basics get a little too. And when you talked about how basics got hardly anything from the inventory expansion... well, let me put it this way. They may not be able to have EVERYTHING, but I'm sure that anyone would agree that a little is better than nothing at all. And yes, some things will never be for basics, but that is the way it is. Basics want to get this stuff, they upgrade, POTCO gets money, and they add more stuff for BASIC AND UNLIMITED. There is a reason that basics cannot have everything, which I have already emphasized, but I will emphasize again. POTCO needs the money so that they can continue to keep the game running.

Now, if you really think that you aren't getting enough from the game, then maybe this isn't the right game for you.

And Del, you nailed it in the head. I couldn't disagree with anything you said.

[PirateEmpire]

Originally Posted by Captain Del

First off, we need to consider the fact your post contains a strong bias.

Did I say it wasn't?

Originally Posted by Captain Del

Your pirate here on POTCO is level 10, while I assume that you have a pirate on POTBS that is much closer to the max than on here.

Who knew GMs could stoop so low. "LOL, your character is level 10 so you know nothing about the game. I have nothing better to insult than your level." How mature.

Originally Posted by Captain Del

As such, I don't think you could make a fair judgement, when you've barely experienced this game.

I have but the game doesn't give me much to experience. I've had both Basic and Unlimited. I clearly know the difference between the two as i've experienced both.

Originally Posted by Captain Del

I'd also like to note the fact that the direction of your post is not a question, but an answer to the question.

Where should I put this nonsense in my thread?

Originally Posted by Captain Del

You're like a lawyer that goes "Did you kill him?" and before the witness can say anything, you pretty much said "YES YOU DID!"

Oh, I gave you a big chance to say something and clearly you sure did.

Originally Posted by Captain Del

This by the fact you failed to list any positives of the game, which must link back to your origins from POTBS, and your level 10 standing.

I know I didn't list the positives. I made that obvious from the start.

And here we go again: "I have nothing else to retort with! So let's insult his level!"

Originally Posted by Captain Del

Now, on to the actual subject at hand.

Oh? We were never on the subject of this thread? What are you doing posting in here if you're going to do such a thing?

Originally Posted by Captain Del

I played POTBS through it's free trial, and I won't deny, it's pretty impressive. It's quests are very diverse, and it's enviroment is very unique.

That's sure saying something of how bad this game is made.

Originally Posted by Captain Del

Game play gets very dry, very quickly.

I could say the same about POTCO. Oh wait...I did...look at the comparison. That's under the "Repetitive" category.

Originally Posted by Captain Del

As much as I love the realistic combat, I don't like the fact it takes over half an hour to sink three ships, and that's with mindless and nearly unhelpful ally ships.

That's the point of realistic combat: Instead of taking 5 seconds to destroy a ship, it takes a rather long time due to you having to destroy the hull, its crew, and or it's masts.

But come on now, that's not realistic! It's in no way POTCO where you can only see the ship go through a few damage stages! Heck, POTCO is more realistic! /Sarcasm

Originally Posted by Captain Del

Also, when battling ships on the open sea, I basically had to spend five minutes sailing around, trying to get to it at a safe speed of about 2 miles per hour. By the time I got up to it, I was about ready to shoot my own ship.

Where you have no water currents or wind to really determine the speed of the ship in Pirates Online. It's more of a "just for show" sort of thing. Right?

Originally Posted by Captain Del

Very, very complicated. Let's face it

I did face it. I mentioned a big learning curve in my OP. Care to actually read before attacking?

Originally Posted by Captain Del

the game is no cake walk. Learning about the market, the economy, the land claims, how to do what, it felt like that if I wanted to play that game,

With the economy, you can create your own ship. With your warehouse, you can get resources. I think it's beneficial if you knew what an MMO is and what makes one it.

Originally Posted by Captain Del

I might as well just go manage my taxes. Honestly, I really like how diverse and different it is, but it took me at least an hour to get a vague idea of the auction house. And by that time, my advil was just starting to kick in for my headache.

It took me like 5 minutes to learn the AH. You have a local and regional auctionhouse. Regional auctionhouses give you one free warehouse and warehouses are very helpful for the economy.

Originally Posted by Captain Del

Not too friendly. I remember the first day I got in that game, the only thing I was in the land AND sea chatboxes was people yelling and screaming at each other.

Expected of Antigua but Roberts is more mellow.

Originally Posted by Captain Del

Yeah, ok, that's here too. But at least this game has some pretty nice censors, that keep insults at most laughable. The language I saw there made we want to cringe a bit.

Yes, the community knows about the censor problem. That's why they're trying to get FLS to fix the censor and add more words.

Originally Posted by Captain Del

Also, you say that POTBS has a larger community than POTCO.

It sure would but you'd have a moderate game community due to you using the Pirate movie trilogy as a means of advertising for your game. Yet, I fail to see how your game is much of a display of the Caribbean. It's so tiny. It takes 1 minute to go from one area to another.

Originally Posted by Captain Del

I find that very, very unlikely, on the grounds that POTCO is a self-sufficent game that is still able to make such progress on it's own two feet.

What progress would that be? *looks for something unique compared to other MMOs* Nope, I can't see anything from my lookout on my ship.

Originally Posted by Captain Del

Not to mention, in POTCO, as you stated, there are more servers here, which is better at explaining how expansive this game can become.

Well, you need full ports on POTBS for it to be very much of a good game. Though, the more servers you have, the more widespread the playerbase is. Sometimes, the lack of servers is good for a game.

Originally Posted by Captain Del

And, of course, POTCO is definately popular on the basis of the POTC movies, Disney being it's parent, and the fact that, overall, it is more child friendly.

And children is a majority of the fanbase which you mindlessly rob money from. I can't wait until they learn what a true MMO is!

Originally Posted by Captain Del

Next, in terms of subscription fees, I noticed that POTBS only has monthly fees, which are the same as WoW ($15.) And, in all honestly, if I wanted to pay for something that is worth the price of a usual WoW subscription, I'd play WoW!

They have monthly fees if you want VIP(Captains Club), and they still allow you content after you're done subscribing.

Doesn't POTCO charge the same as well? OOPS!

Originally Posted by Captain Del

Oh, and one last thing. My old Guildmaster and her friend (my closest in-game friend) went to POTBS because they felt it had better content... for about three weeks.

Do I smell a bias, afoot?

Originally Posted by Captain Del

They then came back, saying "POTBS is fun, but it'll never be Pirates Online."

Personal bias. It does nothing to really defeat my arguments.

[charles gunfury]

Is this game very big in size lol cause it takes forever to download lol

[Tiberius Fireskull]

I will just say this one thing PirateEmpire. If you don't like POTCO, then why are you here? This is a place for people who like POTCO. Now, seeing as you seem to hate this game, you probably should not be here. This is a FANsite. You don't seem to exactly be a fan. And may I say that you really did not defeat any of Del's arguments there. And that last thing was not bias. He was just stating something that his friend experienced.

And children is a majority of the fanbase which you mindlessly rob money from. I can't wait until they learn what a true MMO is!

Mindlessly robbing money eh? How is it robbing? You contradict yourself. You say that basics have nothing, and upgrading is the only way to get anything. If that is the case, then how is it robbing if you are getting a lot back?

Doesn't POTCO charge the same as well?

I do believe that it is 6 or 7 dollars a month. Again, considering how you think that unlimited access players get everything, wouldn't you agree thats a pretty good deal?

I could go on and on. Honestly, if you hate POTCO, go play your POTBS if its so much better. And make sure that your posts are clean. I don't like seeing people attack others in this game.

[PirateEmpire]

Originally Posted by Davy Fireskull

By Disney I mean POTCO/the Developers.

Disney is broad.

Originally Posted by Davy Fireskull

I use the terms interchangeably, so please bear with me on that.

Rather not.

Originally Posted by Davy Fireskull

Basics were never able to use a Frigate, or even Light Frigate before.

The developers believe that we'll be content with limited things and play FOREVER! Dude, this isn't no Battlefield: Heroes. The developers need to stop being cash dependent. It's like they're on welfare.

Originally Posted by Davy Fireskull

POTCO needs money, so by having Unlimited have more, people have a motivation to upgrade and give them money so that they can continue to add things FOR BASIC AND UNLIMITED.

Translation: Spend all your moneyz or forever have not much to do on the game! MWAHAHAHA!

Originally Posted by Davy Fireskull

But again, POTCO needs people to upgrade so they get money.

I wish there was a welfare government for barely surviving video game developers.

Originally Posted by Davy Fireskull

Ask around anywhere, and I'm sure that most people will agree that whenever POTCO adds something for unlimited, basics get a little too.

They invented micro transactions for a reason. Obviously, the developers never heard of it before.

Originally Posted by Davy Fireskull

And when you talked about how basics got hardly anything from the inventory expansion... well, let me put it this way. They may not be able to have EVERYTHING, but I'm sure that anyone would agree that a little is better than nothing at all.

Where's the Red Cross for POTCO? This game needs their help. BASICS ARE IMPOVERISHED! Call 467-890-2002 to donate money to the barely surviving and neglected audience of POTCO!

Originally Posted by Davy Fireskull

And yes, some things will never be for basics, but that is the way it is.

Translation: Pay or forever be neglected! *evil maniacal laugh*

Originally Posted by Davy Fireskull

Basics want to get this stuff, they upgrade, POTCO gets money, and they add more stuff for BASIC AND UNLIMITED.

Copy, Unlimited gets majority of new stuff while Basics get a cookie crumb. AYE AYE CAPTAIN!

Originally Posted by Davy Fireskull

There is a reason that basics cannot have everything, which I have already emphasized, but I will emphasize again. POTCO needs the money so that they can continue to keep the game running.

Maybe they should close down a few of the servers? They can save alot of money then instead of charging for about every feature the game has.

Originally Posted by Davy Fireskull

Now, if you really think that you aren't getting enough from the game, then maybe this isn't the right game for you.

Excatly, that's why POTBS makes this game look like it's a piece of junk.

[PirateEmpire]

Originally Posted by charles gunfury

Is this game very big in size lol cause it takes forever to download lol

Yep. Ports, ships, missions, character options, and basically the sea has alot of NPCs roaming it due to the advanced NPC system it has.

It's well worth it though. Trust me.

Edit: Oh, and can't forget the unique detail of every port.

[Tiberius Fireskull]

I could keep arguing, but I honestly believe my time would be better spent elsewhere. That word I was referring to was filtered. Therefore the site counts it as a swear word, whatever word you said. That graph of yours is just a pie chart with no statistics, therefore it is meaningless and you shouldn't have wasted your time making it. If you think this game is a piece of junk, then I would like to ask you to leave. This is not the place for people who hate the game. If you want to go brag about how wonderful POTBS is, then go do it elsewhere. And perhaps you shouldn't be here anyway, because I am finding your posts extremely rude, and I honestly should report them, but seeing as you probably will be leaving this site in the near future anyway, there is no point.

And I will bring one more thing up.

Copy, Unlimited gets majority of new stuff while Basics get a cookie crumb. AYE AYE CAPTAIN!

Having a cookie crumb may not be much, but it is better than starvation.

[Captain Del]

Oh, awesome. I try to talk from a valid stand point, and I come back to a bunch of personal attacks. I feel awesome.

I'm not going to go that far in depth, but saying anything that I want to say will make me a martyr for both this forum and this game, because posting it would get me banned faster than God knows what. But I'll leave it at this:

Don't attack Davy, I, or anybody else because we're trying to get a point across, about POTCO, on a forum, about POTCO. If you came here to try and recruit us using flashy content wavers and arguements that down POTCO, then just get out. You proved to us today that the POTCO community cares too much about each other to ever abandon our friends, our guilds, and our family.

P.S. Don't be afraid to PM me if you want to keep chatting. I promise I'll take my teeth guards out

[Roger Sharkshot]

gonna see how potbs is

[Jack Shipsteel]

It might not be proper for me to go and post on here, but I will anyway.

There is one major difference between this game and other games, and that's the communication.

I've never played Burning Seas. I don't know what it's like. But I DO know what keeps me coming back to POTCO.

Communication.

How many games, either online or not, MMO or not, allow you to simply press enter, type in a sentence, press enter again, and talk to another pirate? Not many. POTCO allows this.

How many games allow you to press on a button easily displayed in chat to talk to certain people? Not many. POTCO allows this.

How many games allow you to join both a crew, guild, SvS battle, and allow you to talk to each and every one seperately whether to put in orders or talk to your crew about that amazing shot? Not many. POTCO allows this.

How many games have their developers and admins create their own avatars, come online and have real Worker-Player interaction so as to keep a storyline moving? Not many. POTCO allows this.

Games are built around their content. Their objectives for the player to complete. The side quests you're allowed to do.

But it's those X-Factors that lure people to play. To me, communication is POTCO X-Factor. The way you're allowed to talk each other. The way you can interact with anybody. ANYBODY.

That's what keeps me coming back. So many guilds to interact with, so many pirate tales to be spun, so many pirate crews to be formed. Each time I come back, another story plays out.

POTCO is a blank canvas with the borders filled in. What goes in the middle, why, that's left up to the player.

[Roger Sharkshot]

taking way too long to load and your right jack for example wizards doesnt let you talk as free as potco theresd no open chat its either there fraces or spelled corectlly or aprroved words for certain players

its redicules not even one gb done out of 7 gosh

EDIT:imagen potco with potbs graphics and more ships and islands that would be sick

EDIT:6 GB to go

[Cannonfury]

I prefer POTCO... I would explain but I'm sure someone would try to dissect it and tell me how they think I'm wrong.

[Swash]

Pirate Empire all you've done in this thread is attack people and try to advertise POTBS. If you love it so much then go play it. And if POTCO is so bad then why are you here? I'm sure there are people who share your opinion on some POTBS forum. Also the reason the Basic access is so limited is because that's what it is BASIC. If we gave Basic access more content then soon they would keep wanting more until there is no point in paying anymore. Also the reason Del brought up your lv 10 was not to attack you, it was to point out that you know very little about this game and haven't played it much. Honestly if I set my mind to it, then I could become a lv 10 in a few hours, and that isn't enough to fully understand the game, the quest, or the community.